How do you and your play group feel about proxies? Do you feel different about lazy proxies (a slip of paper with the name on it or another card with a sharpie written on it) as opposed to good proxies (an actual pic of the card glued to another card to try to make it look like a real card)?
What if you don't have the card because, at least in my play group, that's 90% of the time the case.
I was wondering because I have had people do it before and I am thinking of doing it myself. I have a Boros Aggro that I really want {Vexing Devils} for but I don't want to spend $30 on cards that will only be good for a month.
I feel the same as taysby to a "T", if its an expensive card or such and you have it in a binder, by all means throw a land in there to proxy. (Always let me know beforehand, "oh hey, that plains is actually a foil Olivia"). If you have ordered them and they are arriving in the mail I'm also fine with it, but if 2 weeks later u are still using your "mail" proxies, I have a problem. As for no card whatsoever, I won't play you, there's a reason those cards are $10+ a piece, most of the time they are worth it. I'm not going to play a person with 4 proxied JtMS, go down to your lgs and get 4 ftv. Don't have that scratch? Don't use him. I feel magic shouldn't be about, "oh if I had these cards my deck would be 100x times better so I'm just going to throw them in." Just like taysby said, part of the game is making due with what ya got.
Just my take, sorry for long rant-like speech.
TL;DR - yes if you have/will soon have them
-no if you do not intend to have them soon.
Edit-spelled your name wrong taysby, sowwy!
Quote from: Anoobass on August 31, 2013, 12:32:22 AM
I feel the same as taysby to a "T", if its an expensive card or such and you have it in a binder, by all means throw a land in there to proxy. (Always let me know beforehand, "oh hey, that plains is actually a foil Olivia"). If you have ordered them and they are arriving in the mail I'm also fine with it, but if 2 weeks later u are still using your "mail" proxies, I have a problem. As for no card whatsoever, I won't play you, there's a reason those cards are $10+ a piece, most of the time they are worth it. I'm not going to play a person with 4 proxied JtMS, go down to your lgs and get 4 ftv. Don't have that scratch? Don't use him. I feel magic shouldn't be about, "oh if I had these cards my deck would be 100x times better so I'm just going to throw them in." Just like taysby said, part of the game is making due with what ya got.
Just my take, sorry for long rant-like speech.
TL;DR - yes if you have/will soon have them
-no if you do not intend to have them soon.
Edit-spelled your name wrong taysby, sowwy!
COMPLETELY AGREE!!
But if you're testing a new deck with buds like say you're trying out a standard deck and want to know if a certain card fits then proxy and if it fits go out and buy it if it sucks then find a new card.
So, if it's casual games, that are my deck vs. yours you better have the real cards. If you're testing a deck vs. me I don't mind proxies
^yes I could also see that as an acception to my previous post, but again, if u still don't have the card 2 weeks later I won't even let u do that anymore.
Yeah I kind of felt odd using proxies so I started bidding on some last night and I have a couple trades that I am trying to work out.
Your play group is free to play how they choose. For competitive players a slip of paper is great to test out an idea before messing up your trade binder or shelling out the money to get the cards you dont even know for sure are relevant. I dont think this method has any other purpose.
I play commander which in my experience warrants a great deal of proxies in a lot of play groups. Personally I don't like play the "perfect" version of a commander deck and filling in what you dont have with poxies. I take pride in which cards and which printings of those cards I have chosen and acquired. I also really enjoy trying to evolve my edh to a goal instead of just having it minus a few key cards. That being said I have a great deal of respect for the open minded creativity that is formed in casual groups building what they feel is fun with no heed to cost. I also have a great deal of respect for those who take great care in their proxies and choose amazing custom alternate arts you wish were real or even make truly illegal proxies by printing over real magic cards. (I dont think wizards can legally do anything until you try to sell or trade such proxies, they also would not benefit from such a petty dispute.)
I have a proxied EDH deck that is around three-thousand dollars, unproxied. I constantly try to get cards for it, and have decided that EDH will be my main format in the future. I don't play decks I want to play at FNM anymore and I stopped building my modern deck. If pride is the issue that some people have with proxies (people who have expensive cards deserve them. That's why they are expensive.), then I do not think that applies to me, since I sacrificed all other formats to build this deck. I'm actively building it, and I think proxies are fine for now.
Personally I find it a little cheap
I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers... But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card, I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 01, 2013, 08:27:40 AM
I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers... But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card, I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.
Over protective i see. I feel bad for the boy who will date your daughter. Lol
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 01, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 01, 2013, 08:27:40 AM
I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers... But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card, I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.
Over protective i see. I feel bad for the boy who will date your daughter. Lol
Prom night, out back target shooting when he drives up. You know, just to make sure he knows what he's in for.
I use proxies to playtest modern decks I'm in the process of making. My main use of proxies is as a placeholder, and I feel this is the most acceptable way to use a proxy. I have proxy {Scalding Tarn} and a few other high value cards like {Vendilion Clique} that I can switch between two moderm decks because they're in the same sleeves depending on which I want to bring to a tournament.
I think they're fine if you own the card or are actively looking for/acquiring them. An LGS here has proxy legacy and modern tournaments and I think it's pretty offensive to the people who actually invested into the format. /shrug
Now, a proxy tournament...that is truly disgraceful in my eyes. There are just so many things wrong with that idea. When there is a prize on the table, and proxies are allowed, it's just about going online and proxying up what will win, especially in legacy. I know a guy who liquidated his entire standard collection to foil out his affinity deck, and I think it would actually be disrespectful to him if my LGS allowed proxies in their modern tourneys we have once a month.
... Proxy Tournament? ... WotC should not allow this to happen!!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2013, 04:29:30 PM
Now, a proxy tournament...that is truly disgraceful in my eyes. There are just so many things wrong with that idea. When there is a prize on the table, and proxies are allowed, it's just about going online and proxying up what will win, especially in legacy. I know a guy who liquidated his entire standard collection to foil out his affinity deck, and I think it would actually be disrespectful to him if my LGS allowed proxies in their modern tourneys we have once a month.
Yeah, I never go to that shop (for obvious reasons) the owner is terrible. Those tourneys aren't Dci sanctioned, (pretty sure anyway but who knows) and prizes are involved. People with no proxies pay 5$ and proxy players pay 8$ I think. That's basically what I found so absurd. 3$ and I can show up with a 2k deck? Why would anyone work to get cards if they can just build any old deck.
I use proxies to test deck ideas. Never in EDH though, that's not what that format is about, IMO.
I don't really play that often at my lgs but if someone was using proxies and didnt have the real cards...idc if they are trying to get them or not...I don't think I'd let them play them. I've spent alot of money and time cunstructing the decks I play and would find it completely unfair for someone to use a proxy bc let's face it, you don't see many proxies of cheap cards.
Proxies generally arent allowed in a tournament setting. Noah and I don't use proxied decks for anything other than play testing. No point in shelling out major bucks for a deck that may not work.
Quote from: Moneekahh on September 01, 2013, 05:34:01 PM
Proxies generally arent allowed in a tournament setting. Noah and I don't use proxied decks for anything other than play testing. No point in shelling out major bucks for a deck that may not work.
Exactly. That's the only time where proxies should be used.
I like proxies.
I have the money to buy cards, but my friends dont, so i let tem use proxies, no matter what.
The fun is in the game, not in the money.
Who talks bad about proxies and download movies/songa must have .poo. in the head.
My standard is double sleeved because I dont want to proxy all my shocks and stuff like that but i will proxy to test my deck and my playgroup is ok if you tell them its proxied and they say ok. I like it when my friends use proxies because then I can play against new decks and be competetive. After all thats what you should expect at a tournament and it's good to be prepared.
In my opinion, using proxies(99% of the time) is a bunch of crap. The only exception for me would be play testing BY YOURSELF! This is true because (since 40% of the playin I do is casual) when I play you, I'm not going to lose to a stupid piece I paper when I actually worked, waited, and paid for every single one of my cards. Again, one HUGE part of the game is being unable to obtain certain cards. What would be the point in rarities, prices, or the goodness level of cards if you could just print urself out a playset of {tarmogoyf} and {dark confidant} for modern?!?!?!!!?? An even when play testing by yourself, I always think it is at least ten times better to use a deck running app (like my personal favorite Decked Builder).
Well in conclusion, I am 99% against proxies, an although it may not seem like I provided good enough ideas to back up my thoughts, I could go on and on with more reasons. I tried to condense it as much as possible.
Quote from: Austinist1 on October 17, 2013, 05:04:55 PM
In my opinion, using proxies(99% of the time) is a bunch of crap. The only exception for me would be play testing BY YOURSELF! This is true because (since 40% of the playin I do is casual) when I play you, I'm not going to lose to a stupid piece I paper when I actually worked, waited, and paid for every single one of my cards. Again, one HUGE part of the game is being unable to obtain certain cards. What would be the point in rarities, prices, or the goodness level of cards if you could just print urself out a playset of {tarmogoyf} and {dark confidant} for modern?!?!?!!!?? An even when play testing by yourself, I always think it is at least ten times better to use a deck running app (like my personal favorite Decked Builder).
Well in conclusion, I am 99% against proxies, an although it may not seem like I provided good enough ideas to back up my thoughts, I could go on and on with more reasons. I tried to condense it as much as possible.
I think this true, but I also am OK with proxies if its casual and you want to see if you should get the actual cards. That is my I my exception .