Accused: Mrkyl20 (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10933)
Victim: ibtrickey.
Information:
I had set up a trade with this user about a month ago for 9 cards for 9 cards that were of almost equal value. I have gotten excuse after excuse of why I have not gotten the promised cards. Now I would just like to get my cards back. Wanted to bring this to trial.
You may want to wait more then 25 minutes for a response.
I have a similar scenario with the accused. A while ago I traded my Ral for a couple shocks, and he said that he'd send my shocks after he received my Ral (very understandable so I agreed). Anyway, I'm from Canada and he's from the USA so I sent out my Ral and it got to him 3 weeks later during this time we were in constant communication and he even told me that my cards were in the mail after the second week of him waiting (which was nice of him). However, I still have yet to get my cards, and it's been a month now. I've tried to PM twice but no answer.
He seems like a nice guy, but all I want are my cards.
Traded a ral zarek for a couple of shocks?!?!?
Ya when he was $16 I traded for 2x {Hallowed Fountain} but then I asked to get one Fountain and 1 {Godless Shrine} which he said was fine. But that was a month ago and I still have no cards :(
Is anything happening here?
Can't do anything until we get a response from Mrkyl.
Seems flawed, if he never shows nothing gets done, he gets cards and our friends get nothing. Just my 2 cents
Exactly
Quote from: Vyse on August 06, 2013, 01:18:25 AM
Seems flawed, if he never shows nothing gets done, he gets cards and our friends get nothing. Just my 2 cents
What should we do then?
Quote from: Vyse on August 06, 2013, 01:18:25 AM
Seems flawed, if he never shows nothing gets done, he gets cards and our friends get nothing. Just my 2 cents
He hasn't been on in two weeks. How can a punishment be executed if he never gets back online? I mean its unfortunate that people have lost cards and I hate that its happened, but if someone disappears, what can we do?
If it's not a hassle Taysby. Like he doesn't seem like a bad guy I feel like he just forgot or something and a reminder might help
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on August 06, 2013, 07:53:09 AM
Quote from: Vyse on August 06, 2013, 01:18:25 AM
Seems flawed, if he never shows nothing gets done, he gets cards and our friends get nothing. Just my 2 cents
He hasn't been on in two weeks. How can a punishment be executed if he never gets back online? I mean its unfortunate that people have lost cards and I hate that its happened, but if someone disappears, what can we do?
Please note that this trial is far from proven.
Any trade on this forum is made under iMtG Law, it is made clear and obvious in appropriate section of the Trade forum, is it not?
What can we do? It depends on where the real world jurisdiction of the crime is, and how much would it cost us to execute appropriate real world law. A lot of real world law is compatible with iMtG law, so there's a good chance that if you break our law, you also break real life law of your country of residence.
We could setup a fund, run by charity, for such purposes as executing iMtG law agreements.
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
Quote from: Piotr on August 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
True that would be extremely difficult to prevent fraud. It'd have to be a neutral party which in and of itself would be difficult.
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 06, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
True that would be extremely difficult to prevent fraud. It'd have to be a neutral party which in and of itself would be difficult.
Neutral party does not change anything. I can still lie to the neutral party.
Quote from: Piotr on August 07, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 06, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
True that would be extremely difficult to prevent fraud. It'd have to be a neutral party which in and of itself would be difficult.
Neutral party does not change anything. I can still lie to the neutral party.
Lie to the neutral party about what? If the charity is the one who buys the cards and sends them to the ppl that get ripped off, what is lying going to do? Do you mean lying to the "charity" about what was lost?
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 07, 2013, 06:01:34 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 07, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 06, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
True that would be extremely difficult to prevent fraud. It'd have to be a neutral party which in and of itself would be difficult.
Neutral party does not change anything. I can still lie to the neutral party.
Lie to the neutral party about what? If the charity is the one who buys the cards and sends them to the ppl that get ripped off, what is lying going to do? Do you mean lying to the "charity" about what was lost?
Of course that's what I mean. If you want to prevent crime, think like criminal ;)
Quote from: Piotr on August 07, 2013, 06:06:36 PM
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 07, 2013, 06:01:34 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 07, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 06, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
Or even a charity that just buys the promised cards and sends to victims might be good
That would be insurance, good luck protecting that from fraud.
True that would be extremely difficult to prevent fraud. It'd have to be a neutral party which in and of itself would be difficult.
Neutral party does not change anything. I can still lie to the neutral party.
Lie to the neutral party about what? If the charity is the one who buys the cards and sends them to the ppl that get ripped off, what is lying going to do? Do you mean lying to the "charity" about what was lost?
Of course that's what I mean. If you want to prevent crime, think like criminal ;)
It would be kind of funny to listen to some of the dumb people trying to fraud the system. "I lost 3 {Black Lotus}es in a trade, when do I get the check?"
Unfortunately there are smart criminals too.
I know some people would be smart with it. There would be some people creating multiple accounts from public computers, pretending to set up trades which never work out.
Why are people getting so off topic in this trial? I posted this trial for something to happen.
Define 'something'?
I just want my cards back
Are you wishing for a miracle? Or do you have an action plan?
Quote from: Piotr on August 08, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Are you wishing for a miracle? Or do you have an action plan?
This is rather rude. The guy wants help, he posts in a trial for it and you make snarky comments. I understand when making trades there are tons of disclaimers, warning that this situation could happen, but responses like this are ridiculous. At least try to help the guy out.
Quote from: Piotr on August 08, 2013, 04:23:23 PM
Quote from: Vyse on August 08, 2013, 02:00:15 PMAt least try to help the guy out.
Why?
Do unto others as they would do to you. Past that I'm out of this again, I'll never understand Piotr logic.
Am I immoral by refusing to help?
No not by any means...quite frankly what can be expected of you in this situation? Ban him? Nah it seems as if he's banned himself. I was just stating that it doesn't have to be imtg law for it to be morally right. I'm half asleep tho and don't really want to get into this can of worms right now.
True what Piotr said could be seen as rude. However, we can't just drive over to the accuseds home, beat the hell out of him and take back the property that was supposedly taken. This is a forum (all be it a very nice one) that has little control. Should they ban him prior to his response? Judge him as guilty before a true trial? Perhaps he did in fact agree to a trade, then steal said cards without sending. If so, he is a thief. But remember there is no way anyone can help from here. Sorry for the mini rant but Piotr is completely right. And if he sounds rude, that is his right as well.
I got in touch with him he won't be coming back on or jsing mitt again he told me he got all he needed at that was it. Sorry man for your cards
Disgusting
Quote from: Ducky on August 10, 2013, 02:27:07 AM
I got in touch with him he won't be coming back on or jsing mitt again he told me he got all he needed at that was it. Sorry man for your cards
Wow what a dbag
While we are unable to confirm or confront Mrkyl20 about this accusation (which is pathetic and deplorable if true), he's been given ample time to defend himself and failed to do so. I have added him to untrusted traders post. I shall consider him a thief and dirtbag, personally. If he ever shows up to defend himself, we can talk, but it's looking like blatant thievery to me at this point.
If anyone objects to my decision to add him as untrustworthy and declare him a petty thief, please speak up. I feel this that people ripped off deserve at least some action, and this is what is within my ability to do.
Quote from: Taysby on August 21, 2013, 09:41:13 AM
Should we try for some legal prosecution? Because stealing is stealing, and this is also mail fraud.
It's def possible. We do have evidence.
And I have his address. Taysby I think has his phone too
In this digital age, how does anybody expect to get away with anything? Lol
That is up to the people who were stolen from. You can contact a lawyer and discuss your legal options. This was discussed in more detail in All Mana's trial, if you care to read more about these legal options.
It is not recommended that you contact him directly, calling him could be seen as harassment or menacing. If you want to contact him, do it through a lawyer. Protect yourselves from any possibly repercussions.
I don't think a stolen {Ral Zarek} is enough for legal action
I am requesting that any victims here send me Mrkyl20's address so I can add it to my private list of known scammer's addresses.
Kyle XXXX
XXXXX
Clinton MO,
This should be sent via pm
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 21, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
This should be sent via pm
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The address has been added to my list.
Sorry about that didnt think it through
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 21, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
Sorry about that didnt think it through
Not a big deal I don't think. Just live and learn :)
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 21, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
Sorry about that didnt think it through
Hey man, its all good! No harm, no foul.
True thanks and ya I'd like to think that we live in a world of trust (why I traded him) but damn it sucks losing a (then) $20 {Ral Zarek} 😢 it was just a small trade though (thank God) like all I was getting was a {Hallowed Fountain} a {Godless Shrine} but live and learn
To the victims of my alleged crime: I have recently had huge personal problems resulting in a loss of most of my collection. I do apologize and aside from these individuals there are people out there that can vouch for me as a good trader. I will send $16 for the ral-Zarek I traded for. Reason you didn't get my cards is unknown as I sent them and never got them back in the mail. As far as the 9-9 trade I would certainly like to hear from you and see if there is something we can work out as how I don't currently have the cards we agreed upon. As far as Piotr you do as you choose as far as punishment I understand that I broke the laws of your app and I do apologize and would like to remain a member at least until I have re-paid what I owe. I have not received anything mail text or otherwise regarding legal action towards me. I am not an untrustworthy person and came back of my own free will to fix these issues. The accused can contact me through this app as I have access to it again, and if they choose and have my number may text me. Thanks to all and I hope to hear from the accused and Piotr soon. Have a good day and thanks to those of you who informed me of this trial against me.
Quote from: Ducky on August 10, 2013, 02:27:07 AM
I got in touch with him he won't be coming back on or jsing mitt again he told me he got all he needed at that was it. Sorry man for your cards
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Quote from: Rass on August 25, 2013, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: Ducky on August 10, 2013, 02:27:07 AM
I got in touch with him he won't be coming back on or jsing mitt again he told me he got all he needed at that was it. Sorry man for your cards
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I'm curious about this as well, now. Mrkyl, could you elaborate for me/us about this conversation with Ducky please?
And I had texted mrkyl20 multiple beyond multiple times telling him about this trial and he ignored me. But I knew he got my texts and read them!! I only want my cards back. Simple
You people believe what you want, Trickey send me a list of the cards and ill make sure they get back to you, yes I said I would get on, yes I received texts about the trial but you people don't know what I've been going through and let me tell you that takes priority over you. Sorry if any of you knew you'd agree. The fact that I'm back on here and offering to fix these errors should say something in my defense considering if I really wanted to rip you people off I would have. That's not the case i AM here and I AM trying to make this all right.
...the conversation with ducky took place because I was pissed off lol he hasn't lied I was just saying things I didn't mean out of anger. Now if these people have any interest in getting back what they lost or working something out then they will get a hold of me. I'm back in this app in a limited basis only utilizing the database and deck builder. As most of you wouldn't trade with me given the chance to I won't be posting on forums or trying to trade with anyone. For those of you that aren't swayed by this and trust me as a sender whether is because we've had successful trades in the past or because you can see that I will always make sure things are taken care of, I will still have a trade binder set up on my profile but will only reply when messaged. Thank you again I have no reason or want to fight with anyone about this any further, I'll be waiting to hear from the accused
Taysby you are right, however you would have been as likely to believe me then as you are now. None of that matters now, you are faced with a choice...keep attacking me about this and calling me a liar and dragging it out and taking legal actions or work with me to resolve it. What's your decision on the matter? After your reply which ever you choose I don't want to see my name in another one of your posts.
calm down Mrkyl, you were being fishy on the matter. no answering to texts, we don't see you on here, simple as that.
We just want the cards distributed back to their owners, nothing more nothing less. Taysby did nothing wrong, because he was right. I'm sorry if you disagree, or you are aggravated by the statement, but it is the truth.
People who are missing cards, please post here when you recieve them.
Me and taysby have talked and I'm not aggravated, he wasn't wrong just wanted my side out there. Thanks to all and could the victims of this please pm me so we can work out things as I said much of my collection was destroyed but I do still have some valuable cards or if you prefer money values equal to the value at the time of the trade.
I've pmed Mrkyl and our issue has been resolved
I did pm you mrkyl20..
I got neg karma.. For putting what mrkyl20 asked of me.. Really guys.. I am the one who started the trial and I get neg karma for my post. Not deserved in the least.
Quote from: Ibtrickey on August 26, 2013, 06:09:59 PM
I got neg karma.. For putting what mrkyl20 asked of me.. Really guys.. I am the one who started the trial and I get neg karma for my post. Not deserved in the least.
As a famous bug/band once said, "Let it be."
Trickey: your address please ill be returning to you your half of our trade as the other half was destroyed. Ill need your address don't bother pming it to me, post it on here as you've made everything else a public matter I'm sure you won't mind them knowing where you live.
THAT was unnecessary.
Pm'd address. I only give it out for trades
Please elaborate on what you mean by "destroyed"?
My ex burned all my .poo.
Quote from: Mrkyl20 on August 27, 2013, 07:13:26 PM
My ex burned all my .poo.
She caught you cheating didn't she? Drawing extra cards during a game is wrong. Lol but for real if she burned your stuff you must have done something really bad or she is really nuts. Either way it sucks one of my exes had a friend plant a chemical fire bomb in my car and it burned my interior. I had to break the plastic on the dash to see the gages and put a quilt on the seats just so I could sit in it. Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn.
Hey guys, let's not instigate an argument, okay? We don't know what happened, and throwing insults or judgement at him isn't going to help anyone. This is is already a tense situation with people who are upset. Let's not piss into the wildfire, you'll just end up burning your doodle.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 28, 2013, 03:55:46 AM
Hey guys, let's not instigate an argument, okay? We don't know what happened, and throwing insults or judgement at him isn't going to help anyone. This is is already a tense situation with people who are upset. Let's not piss into the wildfire, you'll just end up burning your doodle.
I was going to say something like this earlier but didn't want to start a different argument by trying to defuse another. Oh and your last line made me lol
lol...he said doodle...lol
Lol none of the above, thanks for the concern tho guys. No worries I'm not easily angered...and he def did say "doodle" ha ha
Fwiw, mrkyl20 did trade me a Jace Architect if thought for an Isperia supreme Judge, sent first,and I even had a issue on my end where the cards didn't show up for like two weeks. My impressions are that he's an honest person an if he says he had personal issues then I tend to believe and even side with him. I wouldn't think twice about trading again. I realize these are just my opinions, but I felt I had to say something on his behalf.
Have received nothing
What's up man my address is 7593 kingswood drive apt 219 citrus heights ca 95610 I'm still waiting for my part of our trade I haven't received any cards yet I'm not posting this for people to complain I trust him a lot as a trader he has been going threw some hard times right now. I'm really looking forward to getting my card or cards soon man just plz hurry and make hast plz I will even send you a stamp or two to help sending other trades out if you need it
Quote from: Ducky on September 09, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What's up man my address is 7593 kingswood drive apt 219 citrus heights ca 95610 I'm still waiting for my part of our trade I haven't received any cards yet I'm not posting this for people to complain I trust him a lot as a trader he has been going threw some hard times right now. I'm really looking forward to getting my card or cards soon man just plz hurry and make hast plz I will even send you a stamp or two to help sending other trades out if you need it
Dude! Don't post the adress!!!!!!!!
That's interesting Ducky. The address you gave me has two of those digits transposed.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 09, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ducky on September 09, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What's up man my address is 7593 kingswood drive apt 219 citrus heights ca 95610 I'm still waiting for my part of our trade I haven't received any cards yet I'm not posting this for people to complain I trust him a lot as a trader he has been going threw some hard times right now. I'm really looking forward to getting my card or cards soon man just plz hurry and make hast plz I will even send you a stamp or two to help sending other trades out if you need it
Dude! Don't post the adress!!!!!!!!
Free speech. People can post their own address all they want (even though it is not recommended.) We just don't like people posting other people's addresses.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 09, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ducky on September 09, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What's up man my address is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm still waiting for my part of our trade I haven't received any cards yet I'm not posting this for people to complain I trust him a lot as a trader he has been going threw some hard times right now. I'm really looking forward to getting my card or cards soon man just plz hurry and make hast plz I will even send you a stamp or two to help sending other trades out if you need it
Dude! Don't post the adress!!!!!!!!
Free speech. People can post their own address all they want (even though it is not recommended.) We just don't like people posting other people's addresses.
I was concerned for their safety!!!! All the Internet rapists! 😉
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 09, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ducky on September 09, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What's up man my address is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm still waiting for my part of our trade I haven't received any cards yet I'm not posting this for people to complain I trust him a lot as a trader he has been going threw some hard times right now. I'm really looking forward to getting my card or cards soon man just plz hurry and make hast plz I will even send you a stamp or two to help sending other trades out if you need it
Dude! Don't post the adress!!!!!!!!
Free speech. People can post their own address all they want (even though it is not recommended.) We just don't like people posting other people's addresses.
I was concerned for their safety!!!! All the Internet rapists! 😉
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Eh... Lets keep trials on topic, if possible :P
Has anyone recieved anything?
Okay, let me rephrase - Has anyone recieved anything that is relevant to this incident?
Quote from: Taysby on September 10, 2013, 06:57:45 PM
I recieved a signed {flooded strand} today. not from Mrkyl20 of course. ;)
Now you know what he meant. Stop playin.
I haven't but he received mine we talk frequently tho and I try and be leanyent I'm a nice guy and haven't revived some trades be for also so it could be the post office also but plz txt or pm me man
I have still received nothing also.