Workers in major fast food chains protesting the low wages and demanding 15 dollars an hour. Workers quitting McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, and Chickfile (?). Major cities effected.
What are you thoughts
Since they quit on their own volition, then more power to 'em. Fast food promotes obesity and poor diets, so I could care less if they go under.
$15 is way too much for unskilled labor.
This is why you go to college, kids. You don't want to be the one complaining that you don't make enough running the fryers at a burger joint.
Quote from: #noided on July 29, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
$15 is way too much for unskilled labor.
This is why you go to college, kids. You don't want to be the one complaining that you don't make enough running the fryers at a burger joint.
Not everyone is in the position to go to college. Family situations can require kids to go straight to work to pay for medical bills, etc. The protests are contending that the wages and practices of the fast food establishments don't actually provide enough to live off of. Minimum wage is due for an increase anyway, don't know if $15 is the appropriate new level though.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 29, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: #noided on July 29, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
$15 is way too much for unskilled labor.
This is why you go to college, kids. You don't want to be the one complaining that you don't make enough running the fryers at a burger joint.
Not everyone is in the position to go to college. Family situations can require kids to go straight to work to pay for medical bills, etc. The protests are contending that the wages and practices of the fast food establishments don't actually provide enough to live off of. Minimum wage is due for an increase anyway, don't know if $15 is the appropriate new level though.
The wages are not given to employees because they need them, but because they deserve them as payment for the services they provided to the employer, according to agreement both agreed to.
Minimum wage is 3rd party forcefully interfering between dealings of two willing parties, and thus illegal under iMtG law.
Quote from: Piotr on July 29, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 29, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: #noided on July 29, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
$15 is way too much for unskilled labor.
This is why you go to college, kids. You don't want to be the one complaining that you don't make enough running the fryers at a burger joint.
Not everyone is in the position to go to college. Family situations can require kids to go straight to work to pay for medical bills, etc. The protests are contending that the wages and practices of the fast food establishments don't actually provide enough to live off of. Minimum wage is due for an increase anyway, don't know if $15 is the appropriate new level though.
The wages are not given to employees because they need them, but because they deserve them as payment for the services they provided to the employer, according to agreement both agreed to.
So it is ok for those employees contend that they deserve higher wages for their services, right? That's what the movement/protest/whatever it's called seems to be about.
They've the right to protest. Fast food chains have the right not to pay them. I wish they'd go out of business, but the is neither here nor there.
$15/hour is ridiculously high for a fast food worker, I work as a painter for 11/hour, I'm pretty sure the fumes have almost destroyed my sense of smell and sometimes they make me hallucinate a little, if they deserve 15 for that job I deserve a lot more for mine
Omnivore's Dillema, a great book. Just saying, it could give you a whole new perspective on things.
In the time it took you to walk out that door to protest, they have taught another person to come and do your job.
The truth of the matter is, at least in manhattan - most people will not come in to do that job. The cost of living is so high that you literally can't afford to take a $7.15 an hour job.
McDobalds will have to pay them $15 an hour,
then charge accordingly. Prices will double, people will stop going then they have to close. McDonald's, Wendy's and the likes shouldn't have stores in high value areas if they cannot keep them staffed and affordable.
Most other places in the country that is untrue. $13,000 a year is enough to live, and in some cases raise a family with another income.
It's simple economics really. If the employees cannot afford to live in the area given their wage, they can quit. If McDonald's cannot afford to provide a proper wage, they have to higher new people or close their stores.
As someone who works in fast food (delicatessen) making 8.50 l do fine. However that's with two roommates, and without them I'd honestly just barely be making it. At 20 I don't want to be doing this the rest of my life, I'll be going to a trade school.
I do understand where people are coming from, even if I think 15 is way to high. We do work really hard, and deal with a lot of .poo., then not being able to make ends meet is just ridiculous.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 29, 2013, 05:07:38 PM
Quote from: Piotr on July 29, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 29, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: #noided on July 29, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
$15 is way too much for unskilled labor.
This is why you go to college, kids. You don't want to be the one complaining that you don't make enough running the fryers at a burger joint.
Not everyone is in the position to go to college. Family situations can require kids to go straight to work to pay for medical bills, etc. The protests are contending that the wages and practices of the fast food establishments don't actually provide enough to live off of. Minimum wage is due for an increase anyway, don't know if $15 is the appropriate new level though.
The wages are not given to employees because they need them, but because they deserve them as payment for the services they provided to the employer, according to agreement both agreed to.
So it is ok for those employees contend that they deserve higher wages for their services, right? That's what the movement/protest/whatever it's called seems to be about.
Whether they deserve higher wages is up to both sides of the agreement. It requires the old agreement being terminated and new one signed. The old agreement need to be fulfilled first, obviously. For the employees the proper way to deal with it is to handle their notice to the employer, offering further services at new price. If employer agrees, fine, if not, find a new job. Strike is illegal under iMtG law as it breeches original agreement, in which employee agreed to work for agreed reimbursement until agreement is terminated.
Minimum wages should be around $15-$20/hr with the cost of living (in some areas)
I now see all demographics of people acquiring jobs at fast food places. It's unfortunate that these are some of the only jobs available.
Everytime minimum wage goes up, so does unemployment. Companies cannot afford to hirer people if they're forced to pay them more. Also, minimum wage forces workers to accept salaries they may not desire. In some cases, if you'd prefer a lower salary in exchange for benefits - that isn't possible.
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 30, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Minimum wages should be around $15-$20/hr with the cost of living (in some areas)
I now see all demographics of people acquiring jobs at fast food places. It's unfortunate that these are some of the only jobs available.
If minimum wage goes up, prices go up, because company's have to make a living somehow, and so all that does is increase inflation. There always needs to be some jobs that you can barely survive on so the economy doesn't go crazy.
Usually when people have more money, they spend it more often.
So low income areas with Walmart and McDonald's would still feel the benefits of minimum wage.
Tim works for $5.25/hr at Walmart 35 hours a week. He has no options for benefits, and after taxes he barely takes home anything to pay the bills for two weeks worth of work($367.50 gross, lets say taxes and SS take about 23% so $80.25 less, leaves you with around 285 for 70 hours worth of work)
Now rent, food, utilities?? This poor Tim can't even afford a pack of magic with his Walmart discount even!
I'm not even going to do the math on $10 more an hour, clearly Tim could afford to live a little. Saying people need to be underpaid is a very ignorant statement, only the greedy benefit from the underpaid.
/siderant
Corporations have proven to be a cancer on societies once the local community proves to be dependent on them. Yes you can get everything at wal mart but that means less likely for an LGS to pop up near you. Less likely will you have the option of the best in gear for anything you buy at Walmart. Plus you're supporting a failed trade agreement that cost a lot of American jobs for cheaper production in Mexico.
By providing cheap goods and services, Walmart can sell them cheaper. Thus you do not need more money to purchase them. If Walmart raises employee salaries, then they'd have to raise the cost of the things they're selling. It's a wash.
You can go to mom and pop stores, but it's more expensive. People earning minimum wage can afford to shop at Walmart. They provide goods and services to regular, hard working people. I think it's arrogant to say they're ripping folks off.
Informed people who make a decent living can afford to shop at Trader Joes, where the employees are paid well and are given health insurance. That is where I shop. I consent in giving my money to that company, because I believe they're doing the right thing. Most people are not in my position. I do not begrudge them for shopping at a much cheaper competitor.
Dudecore has a pretty good grasp on this. It's a complex problem that is made worse by the fact that the price of living is higher in different areas. For example everyone is complaining about the McDonald's Budgeting site because $600 dollars isn't realistic for rent, among other problems, but in my area (small town Western New York) we rented a place last year that was 3 bedrooms and only cost $550/month. Although I think that they should be paid maybe 50 cents or a dollar more an hour, that seems like a small amount but 50 cents X 40 hours/week X 52 weeks/year = $1040 more/year.
Believe me, I'm all for the working man. I am myself. I've been swinging a wrench as an auto mechanic forever. I also have a bachelors degree in education, but lets not get into that. I think everyone should be provided a liveable wage and are entitled to a life well lived.
I'm also an anarchist - and that point bears special repeating. I do not feel that governments in any sense have anything to do with human experience. Corporations (while occasionally greedy, exploitative and coercive as well) at least provide individuals with willful engagement. I'm not entitled, required, forced to purchase goods and services from any number of retailers. I do so with my own money, and when I feel it necessary.
Is there some work to be done? Of course. Is it the governments job? I maintain that it is not.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 30, 2013, 05:28:40 PMI think everyone should be provided a liveable wage and are entitled to a life well lived.
As in, 'I wish you all well'?
Quote from: Piotr on July 30, 2013, 06:06:48 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on July 30, 2013, 05:28:40 PMI think everyone should be provided a liveable wage and are entitled to a life well lived.
As in, 'I wish you all well'?
Of course. At least in the sense of "I don't enjoy the suffering of conscious creatures"
Quote from: Dudecore on July 30, 2013, 05:28:40 PMI think everyone should be provided a liveable wage and are entitled to a life well lived.
Entitled isn't the word I would go with. Something like "Provided the opportunity for" sounds better to me. Entitling people to money and a happy life is .horsepoo.