What happens when you {cancel} {hound of griselbrand}
It goes to the graveyard, it didn't die so it doesn't undie.
If its still a spell, its not a creature.
What? Casting a creature is still a spell.
Undying- "When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it."
Because {Hounds of Griselbrand} is still on the stack when you {Cancel} it, it never hits the field and therefore the undying ability does not trigger.
Quote from: Bookmeister on July 28, 2013, 12:13:36 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 28, 2013, 12:08:18 AM
What? Casting a creature is still a spell.
Yes.
I was replying "What?" to the comment "If its still a spell, its not a creature." because I had no clue as to what he was saying and then saying "Casting a creature is still a spell" in case Killerbee was trying to say it was not.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 28, 2013, 12:14:37 AM
Undying- "When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it."
Because {Hounds of Griselbrand} is still on the stack when you {Cancel} it, it never hits the field and therefore the undying ability does not trigger.
Actually, it says "dies". Don't know if this made a difference, didn't know if things like {Murder} makes it die or just be destroyed.
If a creature goes from the battlefield to the graveyard, it dies.
700.4. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=700.4.): The term dies means "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield."
Okay I think we are a bit off track. If your opponent casts {Hound of Griselbrand} you can cancel it and it will go to the graveyard since undying needs to happen from the battlefield not the stack. Although if it just died and it is going to undie you can not cancel that, since it is an ability bringing it back, not a spell
That said, could you {stifle} an undying effect???
As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 06:09:06 PM
As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)
And undying is definitely not a mana ability, so yes :) you can {Trickbind} it, too.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2013, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 06:09:06 PM
As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)
And undying is definitely not a mana ability, so yes :) you can {Trickbind} it, too.
I wasn't sure if there was some crazy card that has some weird undying mana ability. I said something about regenerate being a mana ability and was proven wrong but some oddity so I wanted to cover all the bases this time.
There is a simple way to counter undying. You can respond to the undying trigger on the stack by exiling it with cards like {Deathrite Shaman}, {Scavenging Ooze}, {Beckon Apparition}, etc.
By the time the undying trigger looks to put the creature back on the field, it's already gone. :)
Yeah at the prerelease two brothers each made GB Aggro decks and each managed to pull a {Scavenging Ooze}, let's just say it was hilarious and no one had a graveyard.