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Title: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Subiskier on July 24, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
{master of cruelties} + {goblin tenneler} + {fling}
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 04:57:39 PM
Replace fling with {dragon shift}. Those two is also great

EDIT: don't forget curly brackets for the not-as-experienced or loose-of-memory users out there.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Subiskier on July 24, 2013, 05:01:31 PM
What would that do? The fling makes it a win
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on July 24, 2013, 05:07:21 PM
Agreed. {fling} FTW.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 05:28:38 PM
Yes, but Master and Dragonshift is less cards, and standard.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Okay, here it is:
Master attacks, isn't blocked
Their life is one
Combat damage isn't dealt yet
Dragonshift the master
GG
Three colour, two cards, standard
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Wally on July 24, 2013, 08:32:18 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Okay, here it is:
Master attacks, isn't blocked
Their life is one
Combat damage isn't dealt yet
Dragonshift the master
GG
Three colour, two cards, standard

Without the tunneler, fling and the master is also only two cards, and it's also gg. And fling is also in standard.

However in both cases you have to make them not block the master, which is where the third card comes in.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 09:15:01 PM
Yeah, looked at it wrong. Thanks.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Wackaman9001 on July 25, 2013, 06:42:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Okay, here it is:
Master attacks, isn't blocked
Their life is one
Combat damage isn't dealt yet
Dragonshift the master
GG
Three colour, two cards, standard
Shifting the master wouldn't work either, his ability to hit them down to 1 prevents the card from dealing damage, making shifting futile
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 25, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
He loses that, though,
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Leevai420 on July 26, 2013, 11:20:27 AM
{goblin diplomats}  on opponent attack phase. Your attack phase swing {master of cruelties} and then {fling}.  Cheap, effective, 2 colors.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: MementoMori on July 26, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 25, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
He loses that, though,
When the Master's ability resolves, it will prevent him from dealing combat damage. Losing the ability afterward doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Leevai420 on July 26, 2013, 12:04:50 PM
{barrage of expendables}
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:29:49 PM
Well, won't he attack, not blocked, their life is one, then before combat damage Dragonshift?
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 26, 2013, 12:31:36 PM
But the ability that says he doesn't deal damage has already resolved.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
Won't he lose that? He's not master anymore.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 26, 2013, 12:41:27 PM
He keeps his name and existing changes with him, right?
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: MementoMori on July 26, 2013, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
Won't he lose that? He's not master anymore.
{Dragonshift} doesn't change its name.

But it wouldn't matter if it did. Quoth the rules:

201.4. Text that refers to the object it's on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.

The phrase "Master of Cruelties" in {Master of Cruelties}'s rules text really just means "this permanent." Once its ability resolves, it won't deal combat damage that turn no matter what happens to it.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Pirate John on July 26, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
Might as well play grixis.

Artful dodge (B): makes a creature unblockable. Flashback-able as well.

If you're playing grixis, you have a mountain of burn at your fingertips.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 26, 2013, 10:15:06 PM
Why {Fling}? If he counters it you lose {Master of Cruelties}. Why not just use a {Shock}, does the same job with less risk.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Horotechnic on July 27, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
Read the text carefully after the Master of cruelty resolve the said ability the said player dont recieve a combat damage but the life of the player is going down to 1. Then you play the fling spell and also the master power is 1 can make damage of 1 to the target player because of the text said. (fling).
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 28, 2013, 01:29:19 PM
Yes but {Master of Cruelties} with {Shock} is better. After Master of Cruelties attacks, their live total goes down to one. It is then that you use {Shock} bring their life total to -1, causing them to lose. With this combo even if the damage is prevented, they gain life or the second spell countered, you still have Master of Cruelties. With the {Fling} combo is they prevent damage, gain life or counter you still have to sacrifice Master of Cruelties but they don't lose.
Title: Re: Master of Cruelties
Post by: MuggyWuggy on July 28, 2013, 05:57:02 PM
I just have both.