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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 12:19:06 PM

Title: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
If you have {Kira, great glass spinner} in play, then you play a spell with cipher and cipher tries to target one of your creatures, the cipher ability is countered right?
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 12:29:47 PM
Yes. The spell is countered no matter who casts it, unless they have been the target if another spell this turn.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Thank you. I'm looking for a three drop in a certain deck and wanted to be sure
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Keyeto on July 21, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 12:29:47 PM
Yes. The spell is countered no matter who casts it, unless they have been the target if another spell this turn.
Not quite. It only stops them from being the target of a spell or ability. Cipher does not target anything, so Kira's ability will not help.

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Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 01:10:36 PM
If it is like {Hands of Binding}, it does target and can be countered.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Keyeto on July 21, 2013, 01:13:33 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 01:10:36 PM
If it is like {Hands of Binding}, it does target and can be countered.
Yes, but the original question is asking about the Cipher part affecting one of your creatures, not the spell itself.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 01:25:26 PM
Oh. Then you are correct.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
I can have the glass spinner and cipher cards in my deck? Finally, I found my three drop!
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 03:23:55 PM
I disagree. Cipher is an ability, and Kira says "spell or ability". I may be wrong, though.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: scarsabrex on July 21, 2013, 03:27:05 PM
Cipher is an ability but it doesn't target.
Title: Re: Kira, glass spinner + cipher
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 03:28:48 PM
A ahh. +1 for the knowledge, both if you.