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Title: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Antirayman on July 16, 2013, 07:42:53 AM
Can {Spellskite} interrupt a {Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker}/{Deceiver Exarch} combo?
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Wally on July 16, 2013, 07:55:48 AM
Yep! It's an ability, so that would work quite well actually.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 08:20:46 AM
Who would get the token though?
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 16, 2013, 08:33:58 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 08:20:46 AM
Who would get the token though?

The person who controls {Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker}.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Antirayman on July 16, 2013, 08:37:54 AM
On kiki is written you control and on exarch too! I'm not really sure because i think you can't because it would be an illegal target.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 16, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
Deceiver exarch has a modal ability, and the mode is decided when the ability is activated.  So spellskite would not be a legal target.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
Deceiver exarch has a modal ability, and the mode is decided when the ability is activated.  So spellskite would not be a legal target.
though it might cause kiki's ability to fizzle then
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 16, 2013, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
Deceiver exarch has a modal ability, and the mode is decided when the ability is activated.  So spellskite would not be a legal target.
though it might cause kiki's ability to fizzle then
I would assume {Spellskite} would have to be a legal target for it to work.  So you can't change the target of a spell that says "Destroy target enchantment" to {Spellskite}.  Is there a card ruling for that?
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 16, 2013, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
Deceiver exarch has a modal ability, and the mode is decided when the ability is activated.  So spellskite would not be a legal target.
though it might cause kiki's ability to fizzle then
I would assume {Spellskite} would have to be a legal target for it to work.  So you can't change the target of a spell that says "Destroy target enchantment" to {Spellskite}.  Is there a card ruling for that?
The ruling is that you can activate the ability if spellskite is an illegal target, but the target will remain unchanged.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 16, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
Either way, the card {Gleemax} is better.  But it costs 1 million.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Arbitratur on July 16, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
Either way, the card {Gleemax} is better.  But it costs 1 million.

I agree 100%
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on July 16, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 16, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
Either way, the card {Gleemax} is better.  But it costs 1 million.

I agree 100%
what if the flavor text if that card really was a cry for help
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 16, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Pay 2 life or {U} to redirect the untap from {pestermite} or {deciever exarch} to the kite away from kiki which stops the combo. If it is done with {restoration angel} then this wont work.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: scarsabrex on July 16, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 16, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Pay 2 life or {U} to redirect the untap from {pestermite} or {deciever exarch} to the kite away from kiki which stops the combo. If it is done with {restoration angel} then this wont work.

Kaleo go home you're drunk. spellskite only redirects towards itself.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 16, 2013, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 16, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 16, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Pay 2 life or {U} to redirect the untap from {pestermite} or {deciever exarch} to the kite away from kiki which stops the combo. If it is done with {restoration angel} then this wont work.

Kaleo go home you're drunk. spellskite only redirects towards itself.
Go back to school for english, because that's exactly what I said.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on July 16, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
You can activate {spellskite}s ability but it won't change the target of {deceiver exarch} because {spellskite} is an illegal target. However, {pestermite}s ability makes {spellskite} a legal target and can stop that one.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 16, 2013, 03:23:17 PM
I forgot about the controller clause on exarch. I only read the pest.
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Wally on July 16, 2013, 05:24:35 PM
Ha! Sorry for the confusion. I too know it from the pestermite combo breaker. Didn't read the others properly. :/
Title: Re: Interrupting kiki-jiki combo
Post by: Gorzo on July 16, 2013, 05:37:31 PM
You can also screw up Kiki jiki with {Sudden Shock}.

{Stifle} works too.

So does {Imposing Sovereign} or {Blind Obedience} - to a degree. The combo still goes off but all of those hasted tokens that are supposed to kill you enter tapped, and are exiled at the end step so they can't get you next turn. However, the Kiki jiki combo can be activated in response to their opponent't end step (so he will have those tokens there for his own untap step), or he may simply use {Village Bell-Ringer}, like I do ;)