Not Guilty of ALL CHARGES!!! :)
This is right, he did what you do when in self defense. Justice has prevailed!!! :)
It stopped being self defense after he refused to stand down and got out of his car.....
This case is stupid, it has nothing to do with anything important.
So he was hispanic and treyvon was black....so what? Kids die every day, kids are killed every day. Life happens, move on.
Facebook is lined with this crap and all i can think is "why do you even give a s#%t?"
It was never a race case, and shouldn't be considered as such because that's some random bs people wanted to throw in.
Race case crap, the funny thing is they mistrialed this so bad. .politics. got mixed with the criminal justice system, and they tried him for 2nd degree murder. A reporter said this well, "The criminal justice system is not here to please the public, but it is here to try based on facts, using those facts to try properly."
CJS tried to please the public and that messed up.
I have mixed feelings. And I don't particularly want to go into them, because the truth is, it's a complicated case, none of us were there and know exactly how it all happened, and it sounds like both Zimmerman and Martin made some bad decisions that night. Losing a 17 year old kid as a result is absolutely tragic, and sensationalizing this case or rising racial tensions won't bring him back or make up for the underlying truth - stupidity led to loss of life. Unacceptable. Instead of dwelling on it, getting angry, or screaming for justice done or denied, we need to instead learn from mistakes lest we be doomed to repeat them and senselessly lose more lives.
That all being said, when the verdict came out I was with some friends...at the house of one who happens to live in the wrong part of town. There was race rioting literally on the next street over. Heard a few gunshots. Me, being the chunky white man that I am, ended up staying much later than I planned to (until things calmed down) and now I'm probably going to be too tired for prerelease today :( ALL GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S FAULT. He owes me 6 m14 packs now.
Wait... Im sorry but who is zimmerman or whatever their name is?
The short version: it's a high profile, all over the media, hot-button case of a neighborhood watch captain (George Zimmerman) who shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old kid (Treyvon Martin). His plea was self defense, and was found not guilty of all charges by a jury yesterday.
Bottom line for me is on a dark night a man walked up to a stranger with a gun in his hand. Had he left his piece behind or, better yet, stayed inside and let the police do their job none of this would've happened. I see guys in hoodies on dark streets on occasion but i don't, as a rule, approach them, especially when I'm holding a weapon.
Wisdom, to me, is keeping a watchful eye but putting down the weapon until someone tries to harm you or your loved ones. This was not that scenario.
See the song "Don't take your guns to town" by Johnny Cash
I saw this... Being unarmed and 17 against an. Armed guard canNOT provoke self defense, really... And in this case it was he should have been proven guilty.
Well, a fight broke out between the two that night. Travon Martin supposedly got on top of Zimmerman and was shot. Evidence, and forensics prove that to be true too.
Zimmerman was also put up for 2nd degree murder. Which was stupid, because there was no way they could take the evidence they had, and put that as 2nd degree murder.
If anything, it was 2nd by the loosest terms. Maybe self-defense.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 14, 2013, 05:46:30 PM
Well, a fight broke out between the two that night. Travon Martin supposedly got on top of Zimmerman and was shot. Evidence, and forensics prove that to be true too.
Zimmerman was also put up for 2nd degree murder. Which was stupid, because there was no way they could take the evidence they had, and put that as 2nd degree murder.
There was no fight.... Nobody got on top of anyone...
If we look back into his original story and film, his wounds from the "fight" appeared around a week after the incident. He also stated that he followed treyvon and shot him.
Only about a week and a half after he shot treyvon did he claim self defense, which just so happened to be 3 days after he contacted his lawyer.
The absolute ignorance for this case is nearly unbearable... It's like casey anthony round 2, or oj simpson round 3.
Yes, the verdict is what it should be because of a complete lack of evidence. But as to if he is guilty of the crime, yes, he is.
Zimmerman, 5'6" 228 lbs.
Trayvon, 6'4" 225 lbs.
Yolo.
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 15, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 14, 2013, 05:46:30 PM
Well, a fight broke out between the two that night. Travon Martin supposedly got on top of Zimmerman and was shot. Evidence, and forensics prove that to be true too.
Zimmerman was also put up for 2nd degree murder. Which was stupid, because there was no way they could take the evidence they had, and put that as 2nd degree murder.
There was no fight.... Nobody got on top of anyone...
If we look back into his original story and film, his wounds from the "fight" appeared around a week after the incident. He also stated that he followed treyvon and shot him.
Only about a week and a half after he shot treyvon did he claim self defense, which just so happened to be 3 days after he contacted his lawyer.
The absolute ignorance for this case is nearly unbearable... It's like casey anthony round 2, or oj simpson round 3.
Yes, the verdict is what it should be because of a complete lack of evidence. But as to if he is guilty of the crime, yes, he is.
>he is guilty of a crime but there's no evidence to prove it
D'ohkay
It's just exactly like casey anthony/oj simpson... Really.
They OBVIOUSLY did what they did, and a lack of evidence let to the acquittal.
As for the tape they played saying "you cant tell who is who".
You can most definitely tell a teenage black kid apart from a 30's year old hispanic... Cultural slang leaves an accent however small under whatever circumstance.
What this case really says is that i can walk up to a random guy, shoot him directly in the face, and walk free. Just say it was self defense.
I'm done here
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Fallout 3 has ruined me. Can't see "Zimmerman" without thinking of the quest in Rivet City....
Carry on
One of the major news networks I believe it was CBS but I could be wrong changed one of the 911 calls. after hearing this trevon did hop the fence in to a gated nieborhood as a short cut to his uncles house trevon was stoped by Zimmerman just to ask why he was there I do not think trevon attacked without being provoked I think he must have seen the gun and it was a fight or flight situation so I think Zimmerman should be tried for unlawful discharge of a fire arm and manslaughter
Quote from: Imink on July 16, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
One of the major news networks I believe it was CBS but I could be wrong changed one of the 911 calls. after hearing this trevon did hop the fence in to a gated nieborhood as a short cut to his uncles house trevon was stoped by Zimmerman just to ask why he was there I do not think trevon attacked without being provoked I think he must have seen the gun and it was a fight or flight situation so I think Zimmerman should be tried for unlawful discharge of a fire arm and manslaughter
From what I gather, he was tried for that, wasn't he? :P
I believe it was second degree murder
Quote from: Imink on July 16, 2013, 01:03:36 PM
I believe it was second degree murder
Data you provided contradict this theory.
Quote from: Piotr on July 16, 2013, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Imink on July 16, 2013, 01:03:36 PM
I believe it was second degree murder
Data you provided contradict this theory.
I think he means that he was tried for second-degree murder, not that he committed second-degree murder.
Yes that's what I meant thanks
Quote from: Imink on July 16, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
One of the major news networks I believe it was CBS but I could be wrong changed one of the 911 calls. after hearing this trevon did hop the fence in to a gated nieborhood as a short cut to his uncles house trevon was stoped by Zimmerman just to ask why he was there I do not think trevon attacked without being provoked I think he must have seen the gun and it was a fight or flight situation so I think Zimmerman should be tried for unlawful discharge of a fire arm and manslaughter
Doesn't matter if you see a gun. Do you think that people should attack others because they have a concealed firearm on their belt. They most likely have a concealed weapons permit if they have that strapped to their thigh. Just because you see it doesn't give you a lawful ground to assault another person.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 18, 2013, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: Imink on July 16, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
One of the major news networks I believe it was CBS but I could be wrong changed one of the 911 calls. after hearing this trevon did hop the fence in to a gated nieborhood as a short cut to his uncles house trevon was stoped by Zimmerman just to ask why he was there I do not think trevon attacked without being provoked I think he must have seen the gun and it was a fight or flight situation so I think Zimmerman should be tried for unlawful discharge of a fire arm and manslaughter
Doesn't matter if you see a gun. Do you think that people should attack others because they have a concealed firearm on their belt. They most likely have a concealed weapons permit if they have that strapped to their thigh. Just because you see it doesn't give you a lawful ground to assault another person.
I thought i was done but i guess not.
If he saw it, the gun wasnt concealed.
There was no assault, look at the timeline. Wounds that appear a week after the fight obviously didnt come from that fight.
If someone stabs you with a knife, does the hole show up a week later? Hell no it doesnt, and the same applies here with the so called "fight".
It was second degree. Erupted from a fight, not planned, and yes, Flicker, MURDER. Or at least manslaughter.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iEjH7puspsQ
I will not post on the subject other then to share this link. I don't know the ins and outs of the whole situation and will not pretend to. But, as a rational human being I agree with a lot of what this guy says.
I don't see where the justice is when a young man is dead. Zimmerman could have shot him in the foot or somewhere not lethal. Not to mention the fact that Zimmerman left his car in pursuit of the kid against police suggestions.
Bad all around. A media fueled circus that has done nothing positive, and most likely will negatively affect lives for some time to come.
Bottom line, FL has a very liberal self defense law that can protect an aggressor and gives either party the right to stand their ground. Ridiculous. Here in OH, he would likely be found guilty of at least manslaughter.
There was a fight! Treyvon assaulted Zimmerman after his gf??? (Unspecified relation) was texted I got a "creepy a s s cracka" following me. She texted him that Zimmerman might be a gay rapist and that he had better run. Eyewitness report said that trey on got off his phone and beat Zimmerman until he was shot and killed.
This raises an impass. If this is a case that you stand by someone, you are with their race/ alignment. Ok, Treyvon assaulted him because he could have been a gay rapist. And people are bitching and moaning that Zimmerman shot Treyvon simply because he was black. Democrats have to decide will they support gays, or blacks.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Here's my question why do any of you care. In what way is your day to day life being affected by this(unless you live in Florida or other places with stand your ground laws) but seriously the only reason it is an issue is cause the media can make it one and make money of it. No one is gonna care in a month from now unless the news I having a slow news day and desicdes let bring up something to spark more controversy on a dead issue. You're aloud to have opinions an all but can we focus on the real issues and not ones that pit people on sides of for the lack of a better word a stupid pointless argument about a law that's been question since its inactment.
My day to day life is affected when the media gets involved with a case, and makes it so I have to hear about every minute of the day. So I'm sharing the love.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 21, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
My day to day life is affected when the media gets involved with a case, and makes it so I have to hear about every minute of the day. So I'm sharing the love.
its just saying that everyone is missing the point with this trail. It shoul be about doing something about stand your ground laws and how flawed they are. If a man punches you in a bar you can shoot and kill him and say you're life was threatened an probably get away with it. It's not a well written and plan out law. Why focus on the social dispute when it's clearly a probably with the .politics. in florida
The laws are fine as they stand. Take gun laws, remember when they tried to pass even more regulations on them recently. We didn't need those. We had enough as it is. In fact, if they enforced said gun regulations that we already have, they would see that too. But NO.
Profiled. That's the problem here.
Now apparently a Juror b37 may have been influenced while visiting her family during the trial. Which is against protocol, unsupervised meetings with families may provide biased opinion.
Turns out her hubby was writing a book on the case:
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And, it turns out, there is evidence to find that jury tampering did happen, as Juror B37 discussed in her aborted book deal:
The potential book was always intended to be a respectful observation of the trial from my and my husband's perspectives...
Her husband holding a perspective strong enough to write a book on the subject, given unsupervised access during the trial to his wife on the jury. Juror B37 has also admitted that the decision was reached with information not presented at the trial itself.
This is a siren bell warning of jury tampering. And this is but one juror, how much was discussed with the other jurors. The failure to supervise has now resulted in a potential legal nightmare for the state of Florida, which can be held liable for failing to properly ensure an untampered jury. Add to it the money that juror B37 could anticipate from such a book deal, which would be worth far more if given a not-guilty verdict than otherwise, and we are looking at a potential post-trial jury payoff negotiated through the husband.
And the concerns over Juror B37 are far older than that apparent after the trial. In watching her jury interview, one finds a very concerning pattern. As discussed by legal expert Gail Brashers-Krug, a former federal prosecutor and law professor and who is currently a criminal defense attorney in Iowa:
She really wants to be a juror. She seems to be going out of her way to minimize the disruptive effect of a multiweek trial on her life. Jurors rarely do that. She is also taking pains to avoid saying anything particularly sympathetic to either side. Both sides tend to be very skeptical of jurors who are particularly eager to serve on high-profile cases. Often they have their own agendas, or are attention-seekers.
We find a juror with their own agenda, who managed to sneak her way onto the jury, with unsupervised access to an element harboring their own viewpoint and opinion, and who aimed to profit off of a non-guilty verdict. She had the means, by having access to her husband unsupervised. She had the motive, by profiting off of a book deal. And she had the opportunity by being on the jury in the first place.
Jury tampering is a third degree felony in Florida, punishable by up to five years in prison. But with a man who would cover up a tuberculosis outbreak in charge of ensuring the judicial process is followed, it is highly doubtful a real investigation into jury tampering will happen in Florida.
Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/20/new-accusations-against-zimmerman-jurors-as-sheriffs-office-admits-it-allowed-unsupervised-access/#ixzz2ZhmCaUxH