Used this in a EDH fame the other day and worked swimmingly. {feed the pact} + {wolfir silverheart} + {grim harvest}. Able to pump out wolves like no tomorrow. Throw in a {parallel lives} and it's like your The Lord of Winterfell.
{Pennon Blade}
{Essence of the Wild}+{Feed the Pack}+{Captain's Call}
Quote from: michael19 on July 09, 2013, 08:09:16 PM
{Essence of the Wild}+{Feed the Pack}+{Captain's Call}
wont work, feed the pack is non-token
When the solider token enters the battlefield, it becomes a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, therefore it's not a token. Then when you sac a copy you get 6 2/2 wolves, which become 6/6s that aren't tokens.
um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.
it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.
it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.
You do not put a token, the card just --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}
But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on July 10, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?
Read {progenitor mimic} again and youll have your answer.
Let me give you an example so you can understand:
1- Card A on the field.
2- Progenitor enters AS A COPY OF A, but gets the ability "if this card is not a token, put a token thats a copy blabla"
3- at your next upkeep, you have a Progenitor thats a copy of A and a TOKEN thats a copy of progenitor.
So, diferent card with diferent effect = diferent rulling
I don't know why I never thought of {essence of the wild}. Defintsly a add in now. I'm running thus in a EDH with {jarad, golgari loch lord} can't wait to see results. Will post results. Also {wren's run packmaster} made this a sick army. But will gladly accept some 6/6's
Quote from: Renanpf on July 10, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on July 10, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?
Read {progenitor mimic} again and youll have your answer.
Let me give you an example so you can understand:
1- Card A on the field.
2- Progenitor enters AS A COPY OF A, but gets the ability "if this card is not a token, put a token thats a copy blabla"
3- at your next upkeep, you have a Progenitor thats a copy of A and a TOKEN thats a copy of progenitor.
So, diferent card with diferent effect = diferent rulling
Right. You just proved yourself wrong. Tokens enter as tokens. No matter if they are a copy of not, the card is not changing from a creature spell to a copy creature. It is changing from a token to a copy token creature. So {Feed the Pack} will not work with the combo stated above. You have to play it from your hand, an actual card! Not a token. {Clone} will work bc it is an ACTUAL CREATURE CARD! Not a token copying another creature.
Quote from: Renanpf on July 10, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.
it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.
You do not put a token, the card just --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}
Your statement here is false. Just like I said. You are saying that it enters as a copy. The beginning part of that says "creatures" so that means it still separates the difference between a creature spell and a token. It doesn't differentiate. So yes, it will make a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, but the permanent type does not change! It is a token and did not come from a creature spell. So therefore, token is the final ruling. Rant/
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 10, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
Quote from: Renanpf on July 10, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.
it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.
You do not put a token, the card just --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}
Your statement here is false. Just like I said. You are saying that it enters as a copy. The beginning part of that says "creatures" so that means it still separates the difference between a creature spell and a token. It doesn't differentiate. So yes, it will make a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, but the permanent type does not change! It is a token and did not come from a creature spell. So therefore, token is the final ruling. Rant/
Permanent type doesnt change, youre right.
Thanks
Also, a token isn't a card. Making it a copy of a card doesn't make it a card.
Cards can be shuffled into your deck and remain in the grave an ther zones. You can hold them in your hand and do whatever you want with them. Tokens cease to exist the moment after they leave play. Entering as a copy of copies the following traits: CMC, color, P/T, text, all types, and name. It does not physically copy the card, this is why a cloned morph creature cant morph and a two faced card like {huntmaster of the fells} cant transform.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 10, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
Quote from: Renanpf on July 10, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.
it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.
You do not put a token, the card just --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}
Your statement here is false. Just like I said. You are saying that it enters as a copy. The beginning part of that says "creatures" so that means it still separates the difference between a creature spell and a token. It doesn't differentiate. So yes, it will make a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, but the permanent type does not change! It is a token and did not come from a creature spell. So therefore, token is the final ruling. Rant/
There is a difference between a token copy as in {dance of many} and a copy as in {essence of the wild} if the card never grants the phrase "token" it is not treated as a token. It came from an ability, a spell is cast, if u place something onto the battlefield it was never played as a spell. Clone enters the battlefield as a copy but is not a token.
I'm sorry, I think you are confused still.
{Essence of the Wild} can not create cards from tokens, spells or otherwise.
However, if you happen to play another creature card {Arbor Elf}, for example. It will enter as a card copy of {Essence of the Wild}.
Tokens you create from {Call of the Conclave} will create token copies of {Essence of the Wild}.
As already mentioned, tokens cease to exist when changing zones. So the call of the conclave token version of essence will not exist after it dies, but the arbor elf will still exist in your graveyard when it dies.
When something creates a creature from nothing, it is represented as a token. This is not a card.
Token: A marker used to represent any permanent that isn't represented by a card. See rule 110.5.
200.3. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=200.3.): Some objects that aren't cards (tokens, copies of cards, and copies of spells) have some of the parts of a card, but only the ones that are also characteristics. See rule 110.5 and rule 706.