So at fnm, a buddy of mine and i were chatting about how grixis tempo works before the next round. Ok? Sure.
His next round just so happened to be a grixis tempo, and we were still mid conversation.
He heard some of it and flipped out about how i was disclosing his deck information...
He then went on to the owner of the lgs and requested that both of us be disqualified from the fnm for cheating.
Did i break a rule or is this kid a total tool?
Like i want to see a quoted rule of where i went wrong if i actually did.
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 09, 2013, 01:57:51 AM
Like i want to see a quoted rule of where i went wrong if i actually did.
There's really no ruling to quote. The comprehensive rules are how to play the game. At this point, its up to the owner or judge. If they feel you were cheating, then its their call. Personally, I don't think you're in the wrong. You were talking about a deck, and it sucks for that guy that he was playing that deck. If he was worried about it, he should have said something from the start, instead if complaining after the fact.
I'll keep looking for you, but this is from the official "Magic Tournament Rules" PDF.
"Cheating will not be tolerated. The Head Judge reviews all cheating allegations, and if he or she believes that a player has cheated, he or she will issue the appropriate penalty based on the Infraction Procedure Guide. All disqualifications are subject to DCI review and further penalties may be assessed."
Once round pairings are posted, you shouldn't be talking strategy, as a rule of thumb. If you know who your opponent is, and your friend is telling you tips like what's in his deck and how to beat him, that is giving you an unfair advantage and can be considered cheating.
That being said, if you're just in the middle of talking about decks and strategy with your friend, then you get paired against someone who happens to have that deck you were talking about how to beat and he was listening in on you, well...tough noogies to him, he'd better be prepared for a tough match and be ready to sideboard! It pays to have a versatile deck.
Discussing anything that could offer an advantage between the posting of pairings and the end of that match is against the rules and severity of this infraction is up to jusge review. However at regular REL events such as FNM the most severe punishment that is reasonable for nearly any first offense is a warning. As a T.O. I would give all three of you a warning. Two for actually breaking a rule and the other guy for either unsporting conduct or attempting to us a judge to recieve an unfair advantage. Asking for a specific punishment is also not allowed, that is the judges call only.
Like we had no idea that he was playing that deck, we were just verbally making a deck between the two of us. We had no idea that we were rattling off his deck exactly.
Another reason I like casual gaming. I admit the thrill of tournament play makes it appealing and most of the folks there are cool but my friends never flip when I talk about their deck archetypes during a game session.
Exactly I usually talk deck strategies with everyone at FNM. Quick question though can you sideboard before a match? Because if not it should upset him one bit.
Quote from: Langku on July 09, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
Another reason I like casual gaming. I admit the thrill of tournament play makes it appealing and most of the folks there are cool but my friends never flip when I talk about their deck archetypes during a game session.
I agree completely, I've tried fnm once, and I much prefer casual play. It seems quite rigid to me. I like to point out things my opponents don't see, even if it hurts me in the log run, because I want to play knowing that I'm doing my best and also they are doing their best. Discussing a deck type in my opinion is no need for concern, even if it is the deck you are running. At the end of the day, it's a game, and should be treated as such. Take things in stride, fnm to me is supposed to be a friendly environment where people can play against some new people. I personally felt like almost an outcast because I am not a competitive player, and was not up on all the most current deck types and strategies. I'll never go back, I'm quite content with casual.
Quote from: NuclearChicken on July 09, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
Exactly I usually talk deck strategies with everyone at FNM. Quick question though can you sideboard before a match? Because if not it should upset him one bit.
No. Your deck must be the same starting distribution at the beginning of every match. You can only beginning mixxing in your board after game one.
I don't think that's cheating. I mean you guys should be allowed to talk about decks of magic and that sort. I do it all the time lol. If you beat a deck you talked about. It's not that you talked about it. It's how you played and the moves you made.
Talking about anything magic related aside from cconfirming the boardstate or past events is prohibited between a player and anyone other than his opponent. Technically. At regular events this usually is not a problem.