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Title: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on July 08, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Say an opponent has {Ral Zarek} and I cast  {Lavinia of the Tenth} does Ral get detained
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: michael19 on July 08, 2013, 10:38:08 AM
Yes he does
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on July 08, 2013, 10:46:08 AM
Can he use his ablilties and can I have a rules text also
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 08, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
306.5d (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=306.5d): Each planeswalker has a number of loyalty abilities, which are activated abilities with loyalty symbols in their costs. Loyalty abilities follow special rules: A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn, but only if none of that permanent's loyalty abilities have been activated that turn. See rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities."
And activated abilities of detained permanents can't be activated, so it would stop you from using Ral's abilities for that turn.
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 08, 2013, 11:04:20 AM
701.26a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=701.26a): Certain spells and abilities can detain a permanent. Until the next turn of the controller of that spell or ability, that permanent can't attack or block and its activated abilities can't be activated.
And there is the definition of detain.
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on July 08, 2013, 11:15:44 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 08, 2013, 11:04:56 PM
I asked this at FNM when it happened to me and people freaked out saying the you can't detain a planeswalker unless it was a planeswalker that turned into a creature like (Gideon, Champion of Justice) and in that case he just couldn't attack but could still use abilities. Thanks so much for the clarification.
Title: Re: Lavinia and Ral
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 08, 2013, 11:24:09 PM
Thats because of the belief that detain has only ever said creatures. Which while not true, the azorius commons and uncommons support this misconception.