Lets say {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} is milled from the top of the library, can you cast something like {Cremate} onto it to stop the whole graveyard from coming back to the players library? Also if this doesn't work what would stop that effect from happening.
Short of exiling the entire graveyard at instant speed, nothing** will stop the effect from happening. It's a trigger that goes onto the stack as soon as Emmykins hits the graveyard. Even if Emrakul is exiled at instant speed in response with {Cremate}, the effect will still happen and shuffle the rest of the graveyard into the library.
** with the exception of somehow stopping the triggered ability from resolving. {Stifle} can counter it, and {Time Stop} can exile it (and the stack, and end the turn).
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Quote from: CbStrad on July 05, 2013, 02:24:14 AM
So will {Sundial of the Infinite}, if it's during your turn, no?
As long as it's during your turn so you can actually use the sundial, sure.
Quote from: Gorzo on July 05, 2013, 02:02:07 AM
Short of exiling the entire graveyard at instant speed, nothing** will stop the effect from happening. It's a trigger that goes onto the stack as soon as Emmykins hits the graveyard. Even if Emrakul is exiled at instant speed in response with {Cremate}, the effect will still happen and shuffle the rest of the graveyard into the library.
** with the exception of somehow stopping the triggered ability from resolving. {Stifle} can counter it, and {Time Stop} can exile it (and the stack, and end the turn).
So the only way to mill eldrazi's is with those 2 cards? My friend plays all the big eldrazi's and wins every game. Trying to find a way to beat him lol not working out so well..
There are a few other cards that have those effects. {Trickbind} and {Voidslime} can also counter triggered abilities. And, as Cb said above, {Sundial of the Infinite} will work as {Time Stop} does as long as it's your turn.
There is another option as well. Replacement effects! If Emrakul never enters the graveyard, that ability never triggers. So find some cards that can send him straight to exile if milled...
{Leyline of the Void} and {Rest in Peace}. There are couple more, but they only affect you, so you'd have to {Donate} them :P
I thought we had a discussion over replacement effects and if I controlled {leyline of the void} and destroyed my opponents {progenitus}, the owner of progen decides which trigger goes off, making leyline do nothing unless the owner wants progen in exile.
Quote from: Gorzo on July 05, 2013, 04:39:01 AM
There are a few other cards that have those effects. {Trickbind} and {Voidslime} can also counter triggered abilities. And, as Cb said above, {Sundial of the Infinite} will work as {Time Stop} does as long as it's your turn.
There is another option as well. Replacement effects! If Emrakul never enters the graveyard, that ability never triggers. So find some cards that can send him straight to exile if milled...
{Leyline of the Void} and {Rest in Peace}. There are couple more, but they only affect you, so you'd have to {Donate} them :P
Yea he has a pretty mean green deck and usually wins. Muliplayer games. I'm trying to find a deck that just shuts down his green deck and is realitvly cheap ( only have been playing for 1-2 years)
{Tormod's Crypt}, in a pinch
Run white and just exile his big boys with {Path to exile} or {Swords to plowshares}. {Oblivion ring} also comes to mind.
Quote from: Anoobass on July 05, 2013, 01:10:02 PM
I thought we had a discussion over replacement effects and if I controlled {leyline of the void} and destroyed my opponents {progenitus}, the owner of progen decides which trigger goes off, making leyline do nothing unless the owner wants progen in exile.
True. Progenitus is different, because his graveyard clause is also a replacement effect, and not a triggered ability. (Note the term "if ### would be..." and the word "instead") The rule for for choosing which replacement effect occurs is different, but with Emrakul, he needs to first enter the graveyard for his ability to trigger, which Leyline/rest in peace disallow from occurring.
I see that now, thank you.