Users accused: Slenderbro
Victims: taysby
Summary: Slenderbro is raging
Preliminary Evidence: quote from Slenderbro "I can make up bull.poo. too. Remove all messages from both my page and your page and i will do the same.
I had a bad trade with Slenderbro, and posted a message on his home page pretty much saying
"I would advise not trading with slenderbro because he doesn't send within a reasonable amount of time."
And then he started going off at me, making stuff up. He posted lies on my homepage (and his) about how I "didn't package them correctly, the cards came dog eared". My evidence for them being lies is he messaged me and admitted they were lies. (See preliminary evidence)
So, Slenderbro hasn't changed at all. He been trolling my page just because I left an unsatisfactory review, and has lied repeatedly just to try and get back at me. I am not going to request a punishment. I will leave that in the hands of other people. (If they even want to). I just wanted to bring this case to light.
If you would like to see what I'm talking about, just visit my private page or slenderbro's private page.
I apologize for not keeping the messages from our trade for evidence. In that, I messed up. I will keep all of my messages from now on.
pg9 rule applies here as well. Please keep it clean. I understand you're quoting, but please censor in the future - for the children! -G
Counter claim from Slenderbro?
None of that is true, he typed out the prelim evidence, the cards came messed up, and i sent him extra stuff in return as compensation for me messing up in my inventory of cards.
The original trade was a temple garden for the melek promo. Forgetting i promised my temple garden to silent. I asked him what we should do about it, and he asked for my resto for it. I declined. I said that i was just going to send it back with a few foils for the inconvenience, which i wish i had done, because now he is flaming my private page with lies.
Hasnt changed???? I've been trying for around a week now to get out of neg karma, but people like you make that kinda hard.
Remove your flame and i will remove mine.
The card actually did come in messed up, but i decided to blow it off because you were a nice guy. But now that you flame my page with lies i think everyone should know how bad your card came in.
Just resolve this, there is no evidence, and therefore no case against me.
I understand being accused in trials must be frustrating, but please keep the language pg9 here, too. Thanks! -G
The only thing is, my flame is truth. His is just lie after lie after lie.
Last time i looked lying was against imtg law.
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 25, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
Just resolve this, there is no evidence, and therefore no case against me.
This is true. Without time stamped quotes from PMs between you two, you have no evidence. As I said on someone's page (forgot exactly which one,) no cards were lost, so there is no victim. I highly advise both parties to remove any derogatory posts towards the other and to just never trade with each other again. Simple as that.
Will do, thx mike
Took them all down, tell me if i missed any
I feel slenderbro HAS changed, I understand his frustration and have noticed food attitude. I have been watching karma and I have seen him disliked for crazy things, like him posting his trade/needed.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 25, 2013, 07:27:59 PM
I feel slenderbro HAS changed, I understand his frustration and have noticed food attitude. I have been watching karma and I have seen him disliked for crazy things, like him posting his trade/needed.
It's fine. Slowly but surely i'm getting out of neg. i was at -23, now i'm at -10; i'm getting there :-)
Seeking a resolution to this whole thing is the objective. If both parties are satisfied with Mike's conclusion, then I motion to resolve this case based on "removing negative comments about one another".
While I believe fully that Slenderbro should submit himself to a list of untrustworthy traders based on untimely shipping, reneging on trades and otherwise being combative when contacted - with an insistence on censoring/deleting posts. Trading is done at ones own risk, and thus "caveat emptor" is at play.
For Taysby, he did not prescribe a sentence, nor provide the proper evidence necessary to convict someone. I may be corrected, but I'm not aware of a specific way to lose a Private Message (althought one may exist, it has no bearing exactly). The truthfulness of his claim are vacuous.
No, i'm not going to submit to the untrustworthy list. Why? Because i'm not untrustworthy. I have multiple successful trades that i'm sure would vouch here.
Tasby and i have exchanged pms now and we think something happened to both of our ends in the mail, because i believe he packaged it correctly, but it didnt come in that way. And i sent mine the second i got his end, and it gets to him 2 weeks later.
I live across the country from him, but we have a theory that something happened in the mail.
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 25, 2013, 11:35:56 PM
No, i'm not going to submit to the untrustworthy list. Why? Because i'm not untrustworthy. I have multiple successful trades that i'm sure would vouch here.
Taysby and i have exchanged pms now and we think something happened to both of our ends in the mail, because i believe he packaged it correctly, but it didnt come in that way. And i sent mine the second i got his end, and it gets to him 2 weeks later.
I live across the country from him, but we have a theory that something happened in the mail.
Fair enough. If you concer with Mike's conclusion, and as does Taysby - then we shall put that to a vote and resolve the case. I appreciate the controlled and sober way you've carried yourself throughout this case. Appears to be an improvement on previous behavior.
Quote from: Dudecore on June 25, 2013, 11:42:18 PM
Fair enough. If you concer with Mike's conclusion, and as does Tasby - then we shall put that to a vote and resolve the case. I appreciate the controlled and sober way you've carried yourself throughout this case. Appears to be an improvement on previous behavior.
Indeed, let's wait for tasby's confirmation before voting yeah? I want it to be fair
Thank you for not fighting about this in an immature fashion like you were. You have gone from 5 year olds, to 21 year olds. Which is a major improvement.
Please do this in the future, because it is a lot better than "yelling" at each other.
Quote from: Taysby on June 26, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
I'm ok with it.
What happened was I posted on his homepage saying he didn't ship for a while after he got my end (because it was postmarked 6 days ago and he said he got it more than 6 days ago, like 15) and then we both felt like we were being accused so we kept on going. (I thought I was only defending myself and not accusing). Then we discussed in Pam's and decided that the mailman went through both ends of the mail. The mailman even ripped open the envelope, took the hard plastic sleeve and taped it back up with duct tape. Supposedly.
Regardless, I only reported because I thought people should know that he was doing what he was. But now I know that's it was just a lack of communication.
I would just ask Slenderbro to be slightly more polite, even if he's frustrated (not referring to now, referring to when we were trading) and communicate more. I had no idea that the cards arrived dog eared
Better communication is a must, and yeah i kinda started to be a jerk srry bout that.
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 26, 2013, 12:04:38 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 26, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
I'm ok with it.
What happened was I posted on his homepage saying he didn't ship for a while after he got my end (because it was postmarked 6 days ago and he said he got it more than 6 days ago, like 15) and then we both felt like we were being accused so we kept on going. (I thought I was only defending myself and not accusing). Then we discussed in Pam's and decided that the mailman went through both ends of the mail. The mailman even ripped open the envelope, took the hard plastic sleeve and taped it back up with duct tape. Supposedly.
Regardless, I only reported because I thought people should know that he was doing what he was. But now I know that's it was just a lack of communication.
I would just ask Slenderbro to be slightly more polite, even if he's frustrated (not referring to now, referring to when we were trading) and communicate more. I had no idea that the cards arrived dog eared
Better communication is a must, and yeah i kinda started to be a jerk srry bout that.
These are the posts you should stick to. Being humble and agreeing that steps should be taken to better things is a must. In my mind you just proved you COULD change (not have per say yet, but getting better). My previous opinion if you was not very great, but keep this up and I can see you as a nice contributing member.
Btw whoever pinged tasby for putting his side of the resolution in, that was completely unnecessary, js.
And ty vyse :-)
I did not ping him for putting his side of te conversation. I pinged him because I somewhat dislike him, but mostly because I dislike him saying that he did not realize he was accusing, only defending himself. His attitude was of harassment, and I think he is either lying by saying that, or just being somewhat ignorant. My ping wasn't unnecessary, it was a show of my opinion and personal bias. Although I did +1 you, slender, it wasn't even because of the trial situation. It was just because of you staying cool when someone said you got unreasonable pings, if I could I would deal punishment to both involved in this trial, but according to the forum rule I am not a victim, therefore cannot prescribe punishment. I also think deleting posts is a bad solution, other users should have the right to see that you guys have/had a tendency to childish behavior and maybe have some problems in some trades. It would be better to have a simple apology posted underneath. And you really care too much about karma... It is just a number, in an Internet forum, which doesn't represent anything in your life
BTW, something is strange. I remember you were -10 when I liked your post (it even changed to -9). Then, on te karma log, there is only one karma action after mine, which is a like as well, and you are at -10 again?
Quote from: Mentonin on June 26, 2013, 01:02:26 AM
BTW, something is strange. I remember you were -10 when I liked your post (it even changed to -9). Then, on te karma log, there is only one karma action after mine, which is a like as well, and you are at -10 again?
I noticed this as well, wierd.
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 25, 2013, 11:35:56 PM
No, i'm not going to submit to the untrustworthy list. Why? Because i'm not untrustworthy. I have multiple successful trades that i'm sure would vouch here.
Tasby and i have exchanged pms now and we think something happened to both of our ends in the mail, because i believe he packaged it correctly, but it didnt come in that way. And i sent mine the second i got his end, and it gets to him 2 weeks later.
I live across the country from him, but we have a theory that something happened in the mail.
It's called the postal quadrangle when something happens on the mail
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on June 26, 2013, 09:06:49 AM
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 25, 2013, 11:35:56 PM
No, i'm not going to submit to the untrustworthy list. Why? Because i'm not untrustworthy. I have multiple successful trades that i'm sure would vouch here.
Tasby and i have exchanged pms now and we think something happened to both of our ends in the mail, because i believe he packaged it correctly, but it didnt come in that way. And i sent mine the second i got his end, and it gets to him 2 weeks later.
I live across the country from him, but we have a theory that something happened in the mail.
It's called the postal quadrangle when something happens on the mail
The more you know haha. That's interesting
We stopped posting really.... But officially, it hasnt been closed yet.
Mike? Dudecore? Silent? Keyeto? Gorzo? Anyone wanna do the honors here?
Due to lack of evidence initially, and mutual agreement between the two parties involved, I declared this case officially closed.