22 {Island}
22 lands
4 {Hedron Crab}
3 {Mindshrieker}
2 {Jace's Archivist}
3 {Echo Mage}
12 creatures
4 {Archive Trap}
3 {Keening Stone}
1 {Spellbook}
2 {Memory Erosion}
2 {Thought Scour}
3 {Trepanation Blade}
1 {Blue Sun's Zenith}
4 {Jace's Erasure}
2 {Divination}
2 {Jace, Memory Adept}
2 {Increasing Confusion}
26 other spells
Sideboard
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Looked it through and polished it a bit.
I usually combo {Jace, Memory Adept} with {Venser's Journal} and {Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur}. It can be a bit hard to get set in motion, but it basically makes you unstoppable.
{keening stone} is my favorite, of you have that drop it in.
Also if you have an {undead alchemist} I'd put that in too. With all those cards you mill, you might as well be making yourself a mill army :)
I wouldnt bother with the {Curse of Bloody Tome}. It really slow.
{Hedron Crab}s are great for early game chumping and fetting a couple of cards while you're at it. They were 🌟 players in my mill deck.
Just updated it abit. Changed the curses for 2 crabs and a keening stone. Luckily enough i actually have those aswell! And i did draw a {Undead Alchemist} and a {Geralfs Mindcrusher} yesterday. Im sceptical about Mindcrusher in this setup though but the alchemist seems extremely useful!
I you run crabs and want them to really function well, try adding some {evolving wilds} and {teramorphic expanse} it will trigger landfall twice.
Quote from: Wally on March 04, 2012, 05:25:03 AM
I you run crabs and want them to really function well, try adding some {evolving wilds} and {teramorphic expanse} it will trigger landfall twice.
Wont that slow down my mana potency for mid/late game for a not too big effect?
You would want to run 4 crabs if you did that. Add them as extra lands and only drop them when you knew you didn't need to use one that turn.
Dunno it's another mechanic I suppose, but if you really want to use them to mill, that's the most effective way I know of.
Quote from: Wally on March 04, 2012, 05:50:56 AM
You would want to run 4 crabs if you did that. Add them as extra lands and only drop them when you knew you didn't need to use one that turn.
Dunno it's another mechanic I suppose, but if you really want to use them to mill, that's the most effective way I know of.
I was thinking that they are good one drops to fill up the mana cost ratio and still serving a decent purpose. I also dont want to focus up on too many things just to have a bit of variation. :)
So i made some more changes. Dont know how i feel about them. Id really like a second opinion on the entire structure now x)
Don't Jin (the big 10 drop) and the archivists work against each other?
I'd swap either one (2) for a couple of undead alchemists, but that's just me. Lol I tend to feel like I need to be getting something for all that milling. :)
Quote from: Wally on March 04, 2012, 09:34:17 AM
Don't Jin (the big 10 drop) and the archivists work against each other?
I'd swap either one (2) for a couple of undead alchemists, but that's just me. Lol I tend to feel like I need to be getting something for all that milling. :)
I actually never really got a good feel from the archivists but i dont know.
Im not sure what you mean with them working against eachother. Actually i think they'd work well. Have them draw as many cards as i have then discard them away due to hand size. But i really dont know.
I don't know if you're willing to splash a little black, but I have a mill deck that uses one creature only, being the {Nemesis of Reason}. Since your deck is already made really well to work perfectly with itself, I don't know if modifying things is a good idea, it might mess with the flow of your deck. However, if you find a way, like maybe a {Dimir Signet}, the Leviathan isnt all too expensive and works great.
Quote from: XFatal on March 04, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
I don't know if you're willing to splash a little black, but I have a mill deck that uses one creature only, being the {Nemesis of Reason}. Since your deck is already made really well to work perfectly with itself, I don't know if modifying things is a good idea, it might mess with the flow of your deck. However, if you find a way, like maybe a {Dimir Signet}, the Leviathan isnt all too expensive and works great.
Well financially getting some blue black dual lands isnt any trouble. I can always
throw em in as i find them and i think i can aquire nemesis of reason pretty easily. Jaces ingenouity is pretty non-essential at the moment alas replaceble.
Are there any more black cards that have milling properties?
For now i think this shall do but im always open to suggestions :D
I hav to go find my mill deck amongst all of my cards :P but I would either add or replace the {Thought Scour} with a {Tome Scour}, just because you get more out of it for the same cost.
Yeah but i like the draw a card to gain a small momentum and it could also trigger with jaces ereasures. But is it really better with Tome?
If you are willing to toss in some black, you'll gain access to:
{Glimpse the Unthinkable}
{Mind Funeral} <---(amazing!)
If you're using the crabs {Dimir Aqueduct} is a good choice too.
Personally, I wouldn't bother dumping mana into the {Echo Mage}. {Jin, Core Auger} is super high CMC so unless you have a way to cheat him out, I'd stick with more agressive milling tactics.
{Trepanation Blade} on your {Invisible Stalker} beats {Curiosity}.
Edit: I see you already have the blade. Also, I've never had good experience with {Mindshrieker} outside of a top decking combo. If your primary win-con is mill, then 2 mana for one card is too slow. You can do better.
Note: if anyone cares, this marks my 3000th post. Sweet heavens! :-X
The way I saw the archivists work was that you wait till you had no cards in hand, then both discard and draw as many as your opponent. Since you aren't really looking to mill yourself. (no flashback or snapcasters etc).
Jin on the other hand makes your opponent discard all their hand and allows you to have a full hand all the time, if not more than full with vesner's artifact.
The undead alchemist is fantastic against decks that are creature heavy, like a red goblin or a white weenie. Not so much against a blue delver/ snapcaster one tho. So sideboard would be great.
If you decide to spash black you may consider {lich lord of unx}
Or even {Geth, lord of the vault} himself
Christ those black blue ones are awesome! And Lich Lord of unx would work wonders with undead alchemist!
Ill keep this deck right now make some adjustments based your advice. Then ill make a "copy" off it and start working on eventuall black additions!
Thanks for the help guys :D
Ill post the update eventually :)
Take a quick peak at my black blue zombie mill deck (also in casual) for some card ideas.
My deck is not perfect (far from it) but its awesome when things start to chain up a huge zombie army. Plus I always want to put every great card I see. Lol