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Title: Silly question
Post by: Agarrita80 on June 20, 2013, 02:08:02 PM
Since  {Progenitus} has protection from everything , are you able to unburial rites him?
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2013, 02:16:16 PM
Progenitus has a replacement effect that makes you shuffle it into your linrary instead, so you would have a pretty hard time reanimating it! However to answer your question, cards like {Blood Baron} could indeed be reanimated by rites. This is because cards only have abilities when they are on the battlefield. Some creatures do have abilities when in the graveyard, but it is always stated (like cards with scavenge or {Gravecrawler}). Otherwise, no creatures' abilities work while in the yard.

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Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Agarrita80 on June 20, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
Thanks vamp +1
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Deathstorm on June 20, 2013, 05:36:47 PM
You unburial rites him with a  {Stifle} first
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 20, 2013, 05:42:08 PM
{stifle} doesn't work the way I think you think it does. It doesn't stop "protection from" it just stops activated or triggered abilities.

See {sensei's divining top}

An activated ability is something where you {T}: something happens, or pay mana and something happens. Basically a cost and effect separated by a colon ( : )

See {shivan dragon}
Or {stirling grove}
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
I think he means stiffle the replacement effect.
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: scarsabrex on June 20, 2013, 08:41:16 PM
Which you cannot
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Deathstorm on June 22, 2013, 07:56:02 AM
Why can't you stifle it it goes on the stack does it not so you should be able to stifle it
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 22, 2013, 10:10:41 AM
Because it doesn't counter the stack, it counters a triggered or activated ability.
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on June 22, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
We never said that  {Stifle} counters the stack, but it should be able to counter the replacement effect since it is a triggered ability

603.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=603.1.): Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as "[Trigger condition], [effect]," and begin with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." They can also be expressed as "[When/Whenever/At] [trigger event], [effect]."
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Agarrita80 on June 22, 2013, 12:26:31 PM
Yes activated has the tap symbol or a cost, but triggered is any ability as mentioned in above post
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: scarsabrex on June 22, 2013, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: Giggleflat on June 22, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
We never said that  {Stifle} counters the stack, but it should be able to counter the replacement effect since it is a triggered ability

603.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=603.1.): Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as "[Trigger condition], [effect]," and begin with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." They can also be expressed as "[When/Whenever/At] [trigger event], [effect]."

Actually the whole point of replacement effects are theyl fact that they are not triggered abilities. Progenitus effect starts with "if".
Compare to a similar but stifleable card like {emrakul the aeons torn}
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on June 22, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Ah I see. Replacement effects come from a static ability from the card not a triggered ability like on   {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}.

I did not know that, thanks
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Deathstorm on June 22, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
Thank you for explaining it better than double oo scotch
Title: Re: Silly question
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 23, 2013, 12:41:14 AM
Sorry for the confusion.