What's the most effective standard deck out there today?
Im feeling bant is gonna sweet but thats just cuz i want it too.. A lot of decks use a lot of innistrad now though so a lot will change
Naya. From what I've gathered, the loss of {Restoration Angel}/{Thragtusk} is going to be the bigges hit. While that's a big hit, it still seems pretty good.
Got myself confused :P
I agree with silent. The best naya deck I have seen doesn't even run thrag or resto at all. Think of it as the perfect balance between naya blitz and naya midrange. It's very effective and uses almost all new cards.
I dunno, I really hate (maybe hate is too strong.. Dislike) these threads.
It's kind of a null question. My reasoning a follows.
First of all, we (typically) all play in a different environment, we all have different lgs' and we all would face different matchups, and many of us like playing different styles of decks.
With all that variation in mind, you can look at what kinds of decks may be strong, but in this wonderful game that we spend so much time with, there is always an answer to a problem.
To build a strong deck, you need consistency, whether that means you are consistently curving out your first 5 turns to do lethal damage, or you can consistently stall and hit your infinite combo, or you can consistently limit what the other player is doing, allowing you to eventually mill them out. Each play style has its own individuality, when it comes to what is "best". Whatever that may be, consistency is the key.
If the question was, what is the most consistent agro deck I could make, that would be a better answer. Or what is the most consistent cards I can use for my control deck. Or what are the best combination of midrange cards that will allow me consistency over my opponent with the best board presence.
The answers are always in the cards, so to speak. You really just need to find what works against the decks you are playing against. You may see some cards that may not be in the top end net decks of the week, or your opponent has built a deck around a combo exploit that no one else is using, and may be wrecking all the decks at your lgs.
Mtg is a game with so many variables, there will never be a "best" deck, but rather what is the "best deck for you"
/endrant
Quote from: Wally on June 18, 2013, 08:20:44 PM
I dunno, I really hate (maybe hate is too strong.. Dislike) these threads.
It's kind of a null question. My reasoning a follows.
First of all, we (typically) all play in a different environment, we all have different lgs' and we all would face different matchups, and many of us like playing different styles of decks.
With all that variation in mind, you can look at what kinds of decks may be strong, but in this wonderful game that we spend so much time with, there is always an answer to a problem.
To build a strong deck, you need consistency, whether that means you are consistently curving out your first 5 turns to do lethal damage, or you can consistently stall and hit your infinite combo, or you can consistently limit what the other player is doing, allowing you to eventually mill them out. Each play style has its own individuality, when it comes to what is "best". Whatever that may be, consistency is the key.
If the question was, what is the most consistent agro deck I could make, that would be a better answer. Or what is the most consistent cards I can use for my control deck. Or what are the best combination of midrange cards that will allow me consistency over my opponent with the best board presence.
The answers are always in the cards, so to speak. You really just need to find what works against the decks you are playing against. You may see some cards that may not be in the top end net decks of the week, or your opponent has built a deck around a combo exploit that no one else is using, and may be wrecking all the decks at your lgs.
Mtg is a game with so many variables, there will never be a "best" deck, but rather what is the "best deck for you"
/endrant
Every format will have a best deck standard might not have found one yet but it might but if we blast into the last two standard formats we see delver as the strongest deck and caw-blade before that decks were built specifically to beat these archtypes which led them tp there doom of being bad agaisnt every other deck
I think you just proved my point by saying that any deck can be beaten, hence there is no "best deck"
Jund midrange has always been in the top 3 standard metagame decks on tcgplayer since return to ravnica came out.
I think Jund is probably the best deck. It has the most consistent ways to win, by basically keeping everyone off tempo. Jund just topdecks to win, and all of their cards become better when you don't have any in your hand. With what control is now (inevitability) it can never again traction, when Jund can just play better cards (and does) it wins.
Although Jund is a great build its hard to truly say what is the best, my esper control has tended to do fairly well against it because of a over abundance of creature destruction and greater amount of counters then usuall, unless they are able to drop a bomb along the lines of {lilianna of the veil} or {sire of insanity} early I will take the late game off of mill or {aetherling}, and while we are moving towards the late game they will have to deal with the threat of sorin locking down the field. But at the end of the day we could come up with scenarios that would have either deck come out on top so in the end jund is a great deck, but there will always be a build and a scenario to beat it same goes for esper and just about anything else you could throw out there
Quote from: Wally on June 18, 2013, 10:48:48 PM
I think you just proved my point by saying that any deck can be beaten, hence there is no "best deck"
The fact that any deck can be beaten does not prove that there can't be a best deck. The best deck is the one that can win most consistently against the current meta. Right now it's arristocrats and naya. Look up "top decks" on the wizards site. All of the best decks can be beaten, but that doesn't mean they don't win most of their matches. Any deck can be beaten, but the best deck is the one that is beat less.
Personally, i see jund getting better. So many uses for {Sire of Insanity} it's not even funny.
Either that or enchantment destruction decks. People are moving towards bantchantments or 4c(added red to bant) enchantments. With theros coming out, i think people are going to try to counter the enchantment decks; much like midrange did to heavy aggro in this block.
Just opinions though, i think the real answer is that we should wait and fine out when the meta rolls around. ;-)
Quote from: Slenderbro on June 19, 2013, 02:23:46 AM
Personally, i see jund getting better. So many uses for {Sire of Insanity} it's not even funny.
Just opinions though, i think the real answer is that we should wait and fine out when the meta rolls around. ;-)
I agree with the sire of insanity, great card for the build definetly hurts control and works well for a deck that top decks their win, just so long as the player plays smart and is a little lucky the sire will win them the game. he is definetly a card I hold a answer for.
But as said no one except the wizards can dictate the direction if the meta, until then we wait
Quote from: Dudecore on June 18, 2013, 11:35:26 PM
I think Jund is probably the best deck. It has the most consistent ways to win, by basically keeping everyone off tempo. Jund just topdecks to win, and all of their cards become better when you don't have any in your hand. With what control is now (inevitability) it can never again traction, when Jund can just play better cards (and does) it wins.
so, hellbent is a Jund mechanic then?
Very good analyses everyone, based on your input its down to Naya and Jund. I'm currently running junk rites and it seems ok, but gets smashed by aggressive decks. So I was wondering what to try next to get more consistent wins.
Quote from: Agarrita80 on June 19, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
Very good analyses everyone, based on your input its down to Naya and Jund. I'm currently running junk rites and it seems ok, but gets smashed by aggressive decks. So I was wondering what to try next to get more consistent wins.
You realy just have to get lucky agaist naya blitz or new naya aggro, other aggro decks are easy.
Jund midrange is good agaist the new naya decks, they just server the bloodline and pillar of flame strangler root, and voice, and play just
Take control with other removal spells, Olivia, garruk and win.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 19, 2013, 12:28:33 PM
I think it's more appropriate to say there's no best deck in the format RIGHT NOW. There are several "best decks" though, as there are several archetypes that have been topping the charts for several weeks. We've mentioned most of them already. In no particular order:
The Aristocrats (Act II and Junk)
Naya Aggro
Naya Midrange
Naya Blitz
Junk Reanimator
W/U/R Control
Bant Hexproof
Jund Midrange
All of these decks are doing well in tournaments. I do think that, going forward, Jund has the most room to grow but it will depend heavily on what new cards are release in Theros block.
White red blue is American Patrol.
I posted my jund list in standard