1 {Obzedat, Ghost Council}
1 Commander
1 {Godless Shrine}
1 {Seraph Sanctuary}
1 {Piranha Marsh}
1 {Barren Moor}
1 {New Benalia}
1 {Kabira Crossroads}
1 {Cathedral of War}
1 {Emeria, the Sky Ruin}
1 {Orzhova, the Church of Deals}
1 {Reliquary Tower}
1 {Orzhov Basilica}
1 {Springjack Pasture}
1 {Miren, the Moaning Well}
1 {Vault of the Archangel}
1 {Orzhov Guildgate}
13 {Plains}
1 {Thespian's Stage}
8 {Swamp}
1 {Isolated Chapel}
38 lands
1 {Divinity of Pride}
1 {Victory's Herald}
1 {Gerrard Capashen}
1 {Sin Collector}
1 {Blazing Archon}
1 {Pontiff of Blight}
1 {Reya Dawnbringer}
1 {Felidar Sovereign}
1 {Bloodgift Demon}
1 {Artisan of Kozilek}
1 {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}
1 {Kokusho, the Evening Star}
1 {Mikaeus, the Lunarch}
1 {Archon of Justice}
1 {Darien, King of Kjeldor}
1 {Angelic Skirmisher}
1 {High Priest of Penance}
1 {Sheoldred, Whispering One}
1 {Serra Ascendant}
1 {Soul's Attendant}
1 {Auriok Champion}
1 {Serra Avatar}
1 {Soul Warden}
1 {Crypt Ghast}
1 {Blood Artist}
1 {Rhox Faithmender}
1 {Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts}
1 {Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter}
1 {Vizkopa Guildmage}
29 creatures
1 {True Conviction}
1 {Merciless Eviction}
1 {Swords to Plowshares}
1 {Day of Judgment}
1 {Diabolic Tutor}
1 {Phyrexian Rebirth}
1 {Terashi's Grasp}
1 {Ajani Goldmane}
1 {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
1 {Feudkiller's Verdict}
1 {Celestial Mantle}
1 {Basilisk Collar}
1 {Terminus}
1 {One Thousand Lashes}
1 {Whip of Erebos}
1 {Exsanguinate}
1 {Necropotence}
1 {Diabolic Revelation}
1 {Invincible Hymn}
1 {Mimic Vat}
1 {Boon Reflection}
1 {Luminarch Ascension}
1 {Chalice of Life}
1 {Beacon of Immortality}
1 {Sanguine Bond}
1 {Exquisite Blood}
1 {Debt to the Deathless}
1 {Blind Obedience}
1 {Sorin Markov}
1 {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
1 {Death Grasp}
1 {Sorin's Vengeance}
33 other spells
Sideboard
Notes:
Life-gain EDH!
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As you can see, I'm having an extremely tough time cutting this life gain deck down to 100 cards. Any input and help would be appreciated!
Riot control and otherworldly journey doesn't do the life gain just IMO. I can tell you are having a tough time
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on June 17, 2013, 09:18:58 PM
Riot control and otherworldly journey doesn't do the life gain just IMO. I can tell you are having a tough time
Yeah, I don't think Riot Control is going to make the cut, as much as I want to have a lifegain fog. Otherworld journey I have to keep though - it's not a life gain card, but rather "target creature is protected from board wipes this turn, and returns with a +1 counter on it." Board wipes are big in my play group, and I need it as an anti-removal trick, since I can't use counterspells.
And I just realized I forgot to in include Exsanguinate. Kind of a big deal :P any other big life gain or drain cards I'm forgetting?
- {Riot Control}
+ {Exsanguinate}
{Death Grasp} is a nice life drainer. {Sorin's Vengeance} can be decent too, but its a bit heavy on the mana. Are you against using {Sorin Markov} in EDH? He's pretty wicked with life draining. Also, the {Vizkopa Guildmage} might like a home in this deck.
Quote from: Keyeto on June 18, 2013, 04:10:48 AM
{Death Grasp} is a nice life drainer. {Sorin's Vengeance} can be decent too, but its a bit heavy on the mana. Are you against using {Sorin Markov} in EDH? He's pretty wicked with life draining. Also, the {Vizkopa Guildmage} might like a home in this deck.
I need to add all of those.
Argh, I'm supposed to be cutting cards, not adding more!
+ {Sorin Markov}
+ {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
+ {Vizkopa Guildmage}
+ {Sorin's Vengeance}
+ {Death Grasp}
+ {Healer of the Pride}
+ {True Conviction}
- {Basilica Screecher}
- {Phthisis}
- {Nevermore}
- {Orzhov Cluestone}
- {Staff of Nin}
- {Increasing Ambition}
- {Tithe Drinker}
- {Kingpin's Pet}
(I'll have to rely on Pontif, Crypt Ghast, and Blind Obedience for extorting)
- {Underworld Connection}
(If I get a tutor spell, I'm grabbing Necropotence anyway :P)
- {Luminate Primordial}
- {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}
+ {Ajani Goldmane}
+ {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
I am really, really struggling to cut this down... Still need 8 cuts.
Any chance you could cut a land? Is 38 too little?
And know your trying to get rid of cards but maybe consider {Celestial Mantle}?
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 20, 2013, 10:13:50 PM
Any chance you could cut a land? Is 38 too little?
I've been considering it, cutting {Evolving Wilds} would be the choice there. But 38 is starting to dip into the low number territory, even if the deck is only 2 colors instead of 3... I might end up having to, just because I'm struggling so bad with making cuts on this deck.
Ooh, how could I forget Celestial Mantle? I have to stick that baby in there. I'm cutting {Crypt Incursion}, so that will take its place. Graveyard hate is good, but I don't really need it with my play group. I think the only actual reanimator deck in the group is my own lol.
- {Crypt Incursion}
+ {Celestial Mantle}
Shouldn't you be cutting? Not adding?
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2013, 04:36:04 AM
Shouldn't you be cutting? Not adding?
I am. But that doesn't mean I can't refine my deck with better cards at the same time ;)
If you exile obzedat using its ability, doesnt it go back to the command zone and you have to cast it again if you want it back?
Quote from: That_Guy on June 22, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
If you exile obzedat using its ability, doesnt it go back to the command zone and you have to cast it again if you want it back?
Sending your commander to the command zone is optional. You are allowed to just let him stay in exile for his ability.
Quote from: Keyeto on June 22, 2013, 12:43:55 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on June 22, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
If you exile obzedat using its ability, doesnt it go back to the command zone and you have to cast it again if you want it back?
Sending your commander to the command zone is optional. You are allowed to just let him stay in exile for his ability.
Oh ok, sweet. Thanks for letting me know.
Lol it figures. I'm at my LGS tonight, playing a nice draft and trying to trade for the last couple cards I don't own that I need to put in this deck...
And my friend says "A life drain EDH deck huh? Well you'll need this," and pulls a {Divinity of Pride}
And dammit, he's right. Why do I keep adding cards instead of cutting? I'm bad at Magic.
+ {Divinity of Pride}
- {Evolving Wilds}
- {Falkenrath Noble}
Lol, that's the way it is...
When I first started playing EDH, I thought 100 card singleton was so many options... Now I almost always have about 120 when I first start on a deck and hate cutting down and having to make the really hard choices...
my advice is to really consider your overall gameplan, then look at the cards you have chosen
- do they have more than one purpose
- are they good against specific matchups, or do they consistently win games
Play test, play test, play test... Only then will you know what to cut and what to keep...
Good luck Gorzo,
Really looks like a fun deck to play with/against. :)
Congrats
Thanks! Solid advice, I'd give you karma but I already have today ;)
I was just wondering how obzedat is working as your commander he was my first (and my favorite till vorel came along)
Hmmm. I'm seeing a new EDH deck in my future.
It's crunch time. This is going to hurt.
- {Syphon Life}
- {Reassembling Skeleton}
- {Harvester of Souls}
- {Felidar Umbra}
- {Healer of the Pride}
- {Heroes Remembered}
Ouch. Cutting Heroes Remembered really hurts. And Healer of the pride combos hilariously with {Darien, King of Kjeldor}... But, I just see what else I could have cut.
Any final thoughts/comments on my now complete, 100-card deck, or the cuts that I've made? Input is greatly welcomed!
Edit: dangit, miscount, forgot to include my commander, still need 1 more cut :P
- {Elixir of Immortality} :(
- {Loxodon Warhammer}
+ {Basilisk Collar}
I advise {Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter} as commander as he is all the lifelink. Also I agree with the other suggestions made!!
Quote from: Teysa karlov on June 27, 2013, 01:04:25 AM
I advise {Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter} as commander as he is all the lifelink. Also I agree with the other suggestions made!!
I like Vish Kal, and he's a solid card in the deck for sure, but in the play testing I've done so far, Obzedat has been a beast! He jives so well with the Soul Sisters, exquisite blood or sanguine bond, and many other cards with his ETB drain. And there's plenty of cards in here to give him lifelink if he wants it - {True Conviction}, {Vizkopa Guildmage}, {Angelic Skirmisher}... And all with a lower mana cost (5 instead of 7) and protection from all sorcery speed removal, including board wipes. I am really happy with him!
No room for {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}?
Quote from: Wally on June 27, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
No room for {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}?
Sadly no, I had to cut him :( he was one of those painful cuts I had to make at the end.
He was essentially just a 4/4 lifelink with pro w/b for 6 mana, as I don't foresee his "opponent at 10 life or less" trigger being reliable enough to count on in a format where players start with 40 life.
Granted, a 4/4 lifelink with protection from 2 colors is still pretty amazing. I probably would have found room if I owned a copy of him (as I did almost all of the other cards here). But having to spend the money or the hassle of finding him in a trade while I had so many other strong options available, and was struggling so hard with cuts, he found his way onto the chopping block.
Fair call, and totally understandable. :)
Quote from: Gorzo on June 27, 2013, 04:49:48 AM
Quote from: Teysa karlov on June 27, 2013, 01:04:25 AM
I advise {Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter} as commander as he is all the lifelink. Also I agree with the other suggestions made!!
I like Vish Kal, and he's a solid card in the deck for sure, but in the play testing I've done so far, Obzedat has been a beast! He jives so well with the Soul Sisters, exquisite blood or sanguine bond, and many other cards with his ETB drain. And there's plenty of cards in here to give him lifelink if he wants it - {True Conviction}, {Vizkopa Guildmage}, {Angelic Skirmisher}... And all with a lower mana cost (5 instead of 7) and protection from all sorcery speed removal, including board wipes. I am really happy with him!
I see, I did have him as a commander in a lifegaurding EDH but as his ability is only one opponent I disused against him! But I see how you deck fully exploits his ability!!!
{Ghost Council of Orzhova} might be a better option for commander with the new legend rule coming out. Since you can exile him at instant speed you can use that ability in response to them casting a clone spell before they name the target. Just my opinion though. Obzedat is pretty beast.
I do like ghost counsil, but the need to sacrifice a creature to activate him is what puts me off.
At fnm the other night, I got to play against real people and real decks for the first time with this. Holy crap was it fun to play. I might be in love.
However, a friend quickly nabbed a {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant} from a trade binder that he saw, and traded it to me. Now I have to find room for it! I don't want to cut any more cards! I thought I was done cutting :P
Quote from: Gorzo on June 30, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
I do like ghost counsil, but the need to sacrifice a creature to activate him is what puts me off.
At fnm the other night, I got to play against real people and real decks for the first time with this. Holy crap was it fun to play. I might be in love.
However, a friend quickly nabbed a {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant} from a trade binder that he saw, and traded it to me. Now I have to find room for it! I don't want to cut any more cards! I thought I was done cutting :P
But if you run {Mimic Vat} sacing etb creatures can be fun :)
Lol very true, that would be hilarious to do if I had {Archon of Justice} in the mimic vat.
Quote from: Gorzo on June 30, 2013, 10:05:58 PM
Lol very true, that would be hilarious to do if I had {Archon of Justice} in the mimic vat.
You'd have to sac the archon for that to work because vat exiles at the the end step.
Yeah, I meant if I were sac'ing things to Ghost Council :P
Ok lol. {Kokusho, the Evening Star} is pretty sick when you do that. My buddy runs ghost council and just wastes me with that combo
Quote from: NightWolf on June 30, 2013, 11:53:16 PM
Ok lol. {Kokusho, the Evening Star} is pretty sick when you do that. My buddy runs ghost council and just wastes me with that combo
Oh man, I forgot about Kokusho somehow! He fits in my deck perfectly! And his price is dropping to a reasonable amount in modern masters. I may have to find one and trade for it. So if I were to cut two cards to add it and the Kitsune...which would I have to cut? Hmmmm
I would say
- {Deathpact Angel}
- {Tidehollow Sculler}
+ {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}
+ {Kokusho, the Evening Star}
Quote from: NightWolf on July 01, 2013, 05:51:18 AM
I would say
- {Deathpact Angel}
- {Tidehollow Sculler}
+ {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}
+ {Kokusho, the Evening Star}
Why those two, if I may ask? Just curious for your opinion. I really don't want to cut those guys (a 5/5 flyer that returns from board wipes and a hand-revealer / trick-nabber) but that doesn't mean they are bad choices - there no cards left I wouldn't want to keep, so hearing why you think they don't make the cut would be very helpful :)
Quote from: Gorzo on July 01, 2013, 06:58:01 PM
Quote from: NightWolf on July 01, 2013, 05:51:18 AM
I would say
- {Deathpact Angel}
- {Tidehollow Sculler}
+ {Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}
+ {Kokusho, the Evening Star}
Why those two, if I may ask? Just curious for your opinion. I really don't want to cut those guys (a 5/5 flyer that returns from board wipes and a hand-revealer / trick-nabber) but that doesn't mean they are bad choices - there no cards left I wouldn't want to keep, so hearing why you think they don't make the cut would be very helpful :)
The angel is awesome for board wipes but besides that I really don't feel she brings much else to this deck. And tide hollow as the disadvantage of dying and the card you exiled returning to their owners hand. Sin collector is much better IMO and can be abused with bounce effects while keeping the cards exiled.
Those are valid points. I need to accept the fact that any cut I make at this point is going to be painful. I need to just rip off the band-aid, so to speak, and get it over with, but I can't bring myself to do it :P maybe if I sample-draw the crap out of it I'll be able to notice a card that idles in my hand more often than others.
Quote from: Gorzo on July 02, 2013, 04:42:18 AM
Those are valid points. I need to accept the fact that any cut I make at this point is going to be painful. I need to just rip off the band-aid, so to speak, and get it over with, but I can't bring myself to do it :P maybe if I sample-draw the crap out of it I'll be able to notice a card that idles in my hand more often than others.
Sample draws and play testing are some if the best ways. I won't let myself go over the 100 cards no matter what lol. So hard to cut stuff that i may cry if I have to cut that much at once :P
Ok so i thought id repay the favour of you helping me so i googled up some similar decks, some cards i found are:
{Deathbringer Liege}
{Purity}
{Unburial Rites}
{Unmake}
Sorry if you already have some of these or if these arent good enough to make the cut 😁
Unmake would be nice. Exiling with no strings attached is always nice. Purity would make for a really good "sideboard" card too. My playgroup doesn't use too much direct burn, but I do want a copy of purity close by in case such a deck shows up :P
I did end up cutting Tidehollow for Kitsume Ascendant after some playtests. And I traded for a lovely be Kokusho on Friday! So I do have decide what to cut for her. I also managed to get my hands on a revised edition {Swords to Plowshares}, which might be replacing {Path to Exile}.
Quote from: Gorzo on July 07, 2013, 05:02:53 PM
Unmake would be nice. Exiling with no strings attached is always nice. Purity would make for a really good "sideboard" card too. My playgroup doesn't use too much direct burn, but I do want a copy of purity close by in case such a deck shows up :P
I did end up cutting Tidehollow for Kitsume Ascendant after some playtests. And I traded for a lovely be Kokusho on Friday! So I do have decide what to cut for her. I also managed to get my hands on a revised edition {Swords to Plowshares}, which might be replacing {Path to Exile}.
Yeah its a great card, btw im so jelly of your Swords, one of my favourite cards.
Bump for Spikepit!
In addition, an obvious Theros update:
- {Otherworld Journey}
+ {Whip of Erebos}