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Title: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
Okay I was in a situation where I could have won if I sacked my board to this guy but my oppenet said I could pick more than 5 colors. Is that true and here is the card  {Cartel Aristocrat}
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
There are only 5 colours. If you were to sac 5 creatures, you could give it protection from all colours. I'm not sure what you're asking though so I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
You could double/triple/gotten as many redundant protections from the same color. You could have sacced your entire board even the aristocrat itself.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
You can't sac the cartel aristocrat to itself. It says "sacrifice another creature"

Not that you'd want to, cause protection won't save it from going to the graveyard as part of the cost, but I digress...
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2013, 02:28:23 PM
Oops was thinking of {falkenrath aristocrat}. I assumed they had similar texts.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 03:00:25 PM
I was just wondering if I could double up on the protections to kill my friend
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 03:08:04 PM
Doubling up isn't going to change anything. Protection from red is protection from red no matter how many times you do it. Only difference would be stack tricks.

Activated abilities use the stack. Example time

You have {cartel aristocrat} and let's say 5 spirit tokens in play.  You attack your opponent. In response, you're opponent plays {lightning bolt} targeting the aristocrat. In response to that, you sac a spirit, choosing red. Now, in response to that, they lightning bolt again (aristocrat doesn't receive protection until the ability resolves). Now you can sac another spirit token and name red again and save it.

Make sense?
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
No I'm asking if I can do it to deal the damage with  {Blood Artist} I just need to know if I can sack more than 5 times
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 03:31:39 PM
A creature can only be sacrificed once. Once it is sacrificed it cannot be sacrificed again because its gone.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
You can use cartel aristocrats ability of sacrificing creatures until you run out of creatures to sacrifice. So yes, more than 5. If you had 10 creatures plus the aristocrat, you could activate the ability 10 times. Redundant for protection but a great sac outlet.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 03:36:34 PM
Your not understanding what I'm saying, okay can I sack 5 creatures to my aristocrat to deal him 5 damage and I gain 5 life with blood artist can I keep sacking because I have more creatures to sack to finish him off can I do that because I want to kill him with blood artist
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Frothandslosh on June 13, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
You could sacrifice more than 5 creatures with {Cartel Aristocrat} and be able to trigger {Blood Artist}.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 03:46:18 PM
Okay thank you I was just confused lol complicated to explain
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Mikefrompluto on June 13, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 03:36:34 PM
Your not understanding what I'm saying, okay can I sack 5 creatures to my aristocrat to deal him 5 damage and I gain 5 life with blood artist can I keep sacking because I have more creatures to sack to finish him off can I do that because I want to kill him with blood artist

Yes. It's also useful to list all of the cards youre using. The confusion came from the fact that you didnt mention {Blood Artist} in the original post, so no one knew what you were talking about. ;)
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2013, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on June 13, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
You could double/triple/gotten as many redundant protections from the same color. You could have sacced your entire board even the aristocrat itself.

How does my answer not answer his question?
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Paraluke on June 13, 2013, 08:26:14 PM
I guess till a point he got confused confusing everyone who eventually got confused at some point trying to un-confuse themselves.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on June 13, 2013, 08:53:50 PM
Okay okay okay.

The OP was asking if he could pick more than five colors, I believe this is because he thought that if you already have picked that color you could not pick it again meaning cartel would only be limit to 5 sacrifices.  Thankfully this is not the case as you can pick blue as many times as you want sacrificing as many thing as you want
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Dragonjr on June 13, 2013, 09:04:44 PM
Yes that was it sorry for the confusion
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Destore117 on June 13, 2013, 10:20:18 PM
Very Slightly related post* is the  {Blood Artist} art Sorin Markov?
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: scarsabrex on June 14, 2013, 10:01:44 AM
No but the painting is  {Curse of Oblivion}
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: MuggyWuggy on June 14, 2013, 01:41:56 PM
People play this card?
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Kaleo42 on June 15, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 14, 2013, 01:41:56 PM
People play this card?
I havent seen it in play since october 2011.
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: MuggyWuggy on June 15, 2013, 02:11:49 PM
I thought  {Cartel Aristocrat} was only in GC?
Title: Re: Cartel aristocrat
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on June 15, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
The picture the {blood artist} is painting is what he means...