Okay, so there was a complicated board state that I would like clarified. He had 2 Boros reckoners and a fiend hunter on the field. The fiend hunter had my restoration angel exiled. My field is; a huntmaster, an avacyn pilgrim, a thragtusk, and a 2/2 wolf token. He goes sideways I block all. Thrag to fiend, wolf to reckoner, pilgrim to reckoner. What I am trying to find out. Would the reckoners ability go on the stack before fiend leaves battle field. Essentially letting my resto come bak and save my huntmaster from redirected damage, or would he get to choose the order of all 3 triggers
Sorry for the long post
All combat damage happens simultaneously. This puts the Reckoners' abilities on the stack, targeting your Huntmaster. Then, before anyone receives priority, state is checked, and the Fiend Hunter dies, putting its LTB trigger on the stack on top of the Reckoners' abilities. That means, barring anything else being put on the stack in response, your Resto will come back and blink your Huntmaster, saving it.
The other possibility is that all three abilities will go on the stack simultaneously, and since your opponent controls them all, they can be ordered in the reverse of what I described above, killing the Huntmaster before Resto comes back.
But I'm pretty sure my first scenario is right.
Indeed, the first scenario is right. The targets from reckoner are chosen on triggering, instead of resolving, and the fiend only leaves field after the triggers are on the stack. Top resolves first, so your angel comes back before reckoner's triggers resolved, and you can use it to make the triggers fizzle.
Thanks, that is how I saw it but the resident judge ruled the 2nd scenario. In the end I still won that match. Just that would have killed him that turn instead
Hey thanks for the answers, but upon delving the layers of the Internet, the rules, and friends, I have come up with the judge made the right call. I was directed to rule 603 handling triggered abilities, what i got from there is rule 603.3 which states that a triggered ability triggers whenever conditions are met, ie boros reckoner taking damage, but it will not go to the stack until a player receives priority so target not declared yet. State is checked, reckoner and fiend get moved to graveyard triggering his ability. State is checked again, nothing else happens in state check, now a player would receive priority but the triggers need to enter the stack and the controlling player gets to make decisions for the abilities, what order they happen and targets
Looking at this, this is how I view it.
Combat damage dealt simultaneously.
Reckoner and fiend triggers activates.
AP gets to choose sequence of triggers in APNAP. So if he chose
TOP
reckoner
Reckoner
Fiend
BOTTOM
your huntmaster dies before restoration angel comes back.
If this is chosen
TOP
fiend
Reckoner
Reckoner
BOTTOM
fiend trigger resolve, bringing back angel
TOP
angel
Reckoner
Reckoner
BOTTOM
and you have a chance to save the huntmaster.
You guys got it figured out. Just always remember no trigger is more important than another unless controlled by the nonactive player. Only when two competing triggers are controlled by different players is the order predestined. Active player places theirs then inactive player places theirs which in turn makes the inactive player's ability resolve first.