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Title: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
Can I activate Lion's Eye Diamond with an empty hand?
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
Can I activate {Lion's Eye Diamond} with an empty hand?
Sure. You discard any cards that would be in your hand when you activate it. That could mean zero cards.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 02:02:44 PM
Thank you, sir. =]
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
Mind if I ask what you're using it for?  I could never find a home for it.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: cltrn81 on February 27, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
I would use it in a dredge deck.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Rass on February 27, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
Couldn't that add up one big fireball
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rass on February 27, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
Couldn't that add up one big fireball
???
Huh? You can't use the Eye to cast a spell in hand due the the instant timing restriction in oracle.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Chaosquirrel on February 27, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
There's the "hellbent" ability from the rabbi a block where u benifit from have no cards in your hand.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
Mind if I ask what you're using it for?  I could never find a home for it.

My ANT. Activate a {Lion's Eye Diamond} or 4 while {Ad Nauseam} is on the stack and you have mana for {Dark Ritual} and {Cabal Ritual} as well as spells for {Tendrils of Agony} for more than lethal. =D
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
Mind if I ask what you're using it for?  I could never find a home for it.

My ANT. Activate a {Lion's Eye Diamond} or 4 while {Ad Nauseam} is on the stack and you have mana for {Dark Ritual} and {Cabal Ritual} as well as spells for {Tendrils of Agony} for more than lethal. =D

Okay, so you pay the full mana to cast {Ad Nauseam} and then respond to it by activating the Eye and dumping the rest of your hand?  I like it! :D
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Chaosquirrel on February 27, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
There's the "hellbent" ability from the rabbi a block where u benifit from have no cards in your hand.

True, but I never found it to be a strong ability and there are other good sources of hand-dumping IMO.
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: ImposterName on February 27, 2012, 03:47:35 PM
Actually you can use eye to cast a spell. Once you choose a spell to cast it goes into a limbo waiting for you to add the mana to your mana pool. As you designate the spell you are casting is when you add the mana to your pool. So you can use an eye to cast an ad naus. I have an ad naus deck that runs 4 eyes. If you'd like the list I can post it
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: ImposterName on February 27, 2012, 03:47:35 PM
Actually you can use eye to cast a spell. Once you choose a spell to cast it goes into a limbo waiting for you to add the mana to your mana pool. As you designate the spell you are casting is when you add the mana to your pool. So you can use an eye to cast an ad naus. I have an ad naus deck that runs 4 eyes. If you'd like the list I can post it

All true, except for the specific Oracle wording on {Lion's Eye Diamond} stating that "Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant."  Meaning you can't activate it when you are paying costs for spells. 
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: ImposterName on February 27, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
Lol yea I just went to look it up. I didn't realize the wording had changed. Yet another deck gets tossed cause of oracle word changes lol
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: Inaja on February 27, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
Mind if I ask what you're using it for?  I could never find a home for it.

My ANT. Activate a {Lion's Eye Diamond} or 4 while {Ad Nauseam} is on the stack and you have mana for {Dark Ritual} and {Cabal Ritual} as well as spells for {Tendrils of Agony} for more than lethal. =D

Okay, so you pay the full mana to cast {Ad Nauseam} and then respond to it by activating the Eye and dumping the rest of your hand?  I like it! :D

Why, thank you =D
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 04:07:02 PM
Quote from: ImposterName on February 27, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
Lol yea I just went to look it up. I didn't realize the wording had changed. Yet another deck gets tossed cause of oracle word changes lol
Sowwy! 😭
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: ImposterName on February 27, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
Well at least my unearth deck will still work 😁 that one was pretty fun to play
Title: Re: Lion's Eye Diamond
Post by: Rass on February 27, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 27, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rass on February 27, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
Couldn't that add up one big fireball
???
Huh? You can't use the Eye to cast a spell in hand due the the instant timing restriction in oracle.

Ok I figured you cast your fireball then keep tossing your hand away for infinite mana I didn't see a tap symbol on the eye