Do tokens count as creatures in graveyard when dead?
No, but they will set off "dying" triggers and abilities. Once they hit the graveyard, they cease to exist.
And here's the ruling on tokens outside of the battlefield:
110.5f: A token that's phased out, or that's in a zone other than the battlefield, ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)
What if I want to bring back zombie tokens with
Once tokens leave the battlefield, they cease to exist. There's no opportunity to bring them back.
Would undying work on a token?
My opinion it might just be, since undying seems to be a triggered effect.
Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 17, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Would undying work on a token?
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I don't think so undying triggers when the creature enters the graveyard were tokens never enter the graveyard they just disappear
Quote from: Millionlittlee on May 17, 2013, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 17, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Would undying work on a token?
I don't think so undying triggers when the creature enters the graveyard were tokens never enter the graveyard they just disappear
The tokens do enter the graveyard, which trigger effects involving dying (including the undying trigger). However, the token then immediately ceases to exist as a state-based action that does not use the stack, so when the trigger attempts to resolve, it fails to find it's "target" (itself, the token that had undying) and the trigger is countered, because it cannot bring back something that doesn't exist.
Short answer: it fails. So no, undying doesn't work on tokens.
Nice explanation, thanks gonzo
Quick question, can one respond with a {Cemetery Reaper} before a token ceases to exist in the GY?
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 17, 2013, 05:38:28 AM
Quick question, can one respond with a {Cemetery Reaper} before a token ceases to exist in the GY?
If the tokens used the stack yes, but unfortunately tokens in the grave do not, so you could not.
Ehm it does say target creature card, so I guess it does not work in the first place...?
Quote from: Paraluke on May 17, 2013, 04:56:38 AM
Nice explanation, thanks gonzo
Gorzo. In September, I'm gonzo. ;)
Quote from: Paraluke on May 17, 2013, 06:37:07 AM
Ehm it does say target creature card, so I guess it does not work in the first place...?
This.
Cards exist in all zones other than the battlefield. Creatures only exist on the battlefield and are Creature Cards in any other zone. Tokens are not cards, and never will be cards, and as such can't be used for costs or effects that require (or target) cards. Mostly because they just don't exist in zones that reference cards.
Keep in mind the Regenerate effect does work on tokens because, as opposed to bringing them back from another zone, it prevents the zone change in the first place
Quote from: Remillo on October 23, 2013, 02:37:34 PM
Cards exist in all zones other than the battlefield. Creatures only exist on the battlefield and are Creature Cards in any other zone. Tokens are not cards, and never will be cards, and as such can't be used for costs or effects that require (or target) cards. Mostly because they just don't exist in zones that reference cards.
Nice explanation!!!