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Title: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Paraluke on May 14, 2013, 02:45:51 AM
I have  {Blood Artist} and both my opponent and I have other creatures in the battlefield. I cast  {Killing Wave} (just take X to be 2). My understanding is that for creatures that we chose not to pay, all of them die simultaneously. Assuming the artist is sacrificed this way, I believe his effect still triggers, making me gain life and opponent losing life.

Please confirm if I am right?
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Monrodesign on May 14, 2013, 02:57:12 AM
Yes if you have lets say 4 creatures, and your opponent has 3 creatures if you both decided to let your creatures die as opposed to biting the damage, you'll gain 7 life and your opponent(s) lose 7.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on May 14, 2013, 03:04:07 AM
It's a very nasty combo 😉
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Paraluke on May 14, 2013, 03:36:12 AM
Yea, planning a deck on it. Just chanced on the idea.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Wally on May 14, 2013, 05:21:53 AM
Also add {Dying Wish} and some cheap fattys like {Desecration Demon} and so on.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Byerley121 on May 14, 2013, 02:53:04 PM
Nasty combo with demon is to use  {Burst of Strength} to untapped it.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Paraluke on May 14, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
I'm not too sure if I can respond with an instant to untap it "at the beginning of combat".

What's the stand?
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: MisterJH on May 14, 2013, 10:41:12 PM
I had the same question and the answer is.. No according to my understanding

You can untap is at the end of declare attackers step, leaving it untapped to block opponents creatures. But i dont believe theres a chance to respond before attackers must be declared.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Keyeto on May 14, 2013, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: Paraluke on May 14, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
I'm not too sure if I can respond with an instant to untap it "at the beginning of combat".

What's the stand?
You can. When steps and phases begin (there are few exceptions) players gain priority. After the Demon's ability resolves and your opponent decides to sacrifice a creature to tap the Demon, you'll get priority once again in the Beginning of Combat Step. You can cast Burst of Strength to untap it.
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Mentonin on May 14, 2013, 10:56:12 PM
It is supposed to untapped the demon after they chose to tap him, but before attackers are declared
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Paraluke on May 14, 2013, 10:58:58 PM
Okay, that is evil. Lol
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: Wally on May 14, 2013, 10:59:09 PM
No, it works.
As the  {Desecration Demon}'s trigger goes on the stack at the beginning of the combat phase but before the attack phase. Players respond by sacing and tapping him down, adding a counter. Priority is then back to the active player to then cast any instants or activate any abilities they want to, hence cast  {Burst of Strength} and it resolves, pass priority to opponent who sighs.
Then it's attack step and you can swing with him. :)
Title: Re: Killing wave + blood artist
Post by: MisterJH on May 14, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
Argh! Theres still thing about this game to learn! And i guess my friends incorrectly explaining all this jazz doesnt help :/