Quote from: Hays413 on May 12, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
Just as some situational awareness with regards to Opticarrow8/Hexdrinker:
After a simple google search of a username, and confirming with another mod Opticarrow8's email address, I refer you to this links proving a history of scamming through another forum. From what I've read it's directed more to PayPal/MMORPG usernames and password. (People sell their built up characters).
This link is where Optic faked people vouching for him http://www.sythe.org/middleman-applications/979087-opticarrow8s-omm-application.html
This link is him being called out
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/979245-scammer-opticarrow8.html
He was supremely banned from this site. In my opinion this warrants a warning to our community to know who they are dealing with.
As a warning to all potential traders;
TRADE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
This user has a history of scamming.
Add Slenderbro to that list of names
The account that got banned wasnt banned for scamming, my brother flipped .poo. on some people. DO NOT SPREAD LIES.
And that is runescape, where NOBODY PLAYS ANYMORE.
This has nothing to do with me to begin with. That's my brother's sythe account, not mine.
Putting an all call out not to trade with me is unfair treatment, and further, harassment.
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
And that is runescape, where NOBODY PLAYS ANYMORE.
Sorry, but scamming is still scamming. Just mind yourself and be polite. If you do that, there will be no issues.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 12, 2013, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
And that is runescape, where NOBODY PLAYS ANYMORE.
Sorry, but scamming is still scamming. Just mind yourself and be polite. If you do that, there will be no issues.
It's my brother's sythe account and it was banned for fake vouching as the link states, not scamming.
This is harassment.
I have notified some unbiased mods.
Quote from: Potticus on May 12, 2013, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 12, 2013, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
And that is runescape, where NOBODY PLAYS ANYMORE.
Sorry, but scamming is still scamming. Just mind yourself and be polite. If you do that, there will be no issues.
It's my brother's sythe account and it was banned for fake vouching as the link states, not scamming.
It was banned for dishonesty, and as apart of Imtg law "do not lie" it should be known he is dishonest.
How else do i say this, IT WASNT MY ACCOUNT, stop passing my brother's reputation onto me, it's unfair.
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
This is harassment.
I have notified some unbiased mods.
You are talking to one of the most unbiased mods here. Ask my fellow co moderators. I was vouching for you and asking that we give you a chance. I was just telling you to mind your P's and Q's for your own sake. The way you act it makes some people have it out for you. I am not one of those people. So do not accuse me of being biased when I was trying to support you and advocate a chance for you. Your ungratefulness is very much not appreciated by me. You do not want me on the list of mods that has it out for you, so please keep the peace around here.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 12, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
This is harassment.
I have notified some unbiased mods.
You are talking to one of the most unbiased mods here. Ask my fellow co moderators. I was vouching for you and asking that we give you a chance. I was just telling you to mind your P's and Q's for your own sake. The way you act it makes some people have it out for you. I am not one of those people. So do not accuse me of being biased when I was trying to support you and advocate a chance for you. Your ungratefulness is very much not appreciated by me. You do not want me on the list of mods that has it out for you, so please keep the peace around here.
The comment was in no way aimed at you, i just meant that i sent pm's to piotr, dudecore, and keyeto.
I meant no offense by it, but this guy is ruining my reputation for no reason.
I am simply giving this community what they deserve. A simple caution. You'll note that I simply stated to the community to trade at their own risk. This is universal of course, but in your case, it deserved special mention.
I had found your email address linked to the Opticarrow8 user on Scythe. Same one used to register here. But alas isn't it odd that the same email is used for Hexdrinker? Of course I won't publicly post your email address's.
A PM from a fellow mod...
Re: (No subject)
Today at 02:45:00 PM
Yes. That is Opicarrow's. Hexdrinker's is the same thing but its an @gmail.com address.
Quote from: Hays413 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
I am simply giving this community what they deserve. A simple caution. You'll note that I simply stated to the community to trade at their own risk. This is universal of course, but in your case, it deserved special mention.
I had found your email address linked to the Opticarrow8 user on Scythe. Same one used to register here. But alas isn't it odd that the same email is used for Hexdrinker? Of course I won't publicly post your email address's.
A PM from a fellow mod...
Re: (No subject)
Today at 02:45:00 PM
Yes. That is Opicarrow's. Hexdrinker's is the same thing but its an @gmail.com address.
That in no way means that it is my account and deserves to be publicly posted in an attempt to ruin my reputation.
My brother got banned on there as well, for the same thing he got banned on here for. He then took my email to make the account in question. Trust me i beat his ass when i found out.
If you wanted to pm me about the legitimacy of the sythe account that's fine. But your level of hatred towards me for no reason is harassment and i'm going to ask you to stop.
I have no opinion on the matter of trading with you, trading is done at ones own risk. But I will point out what I see as glaringly obvious:
A) Opticarrow8 was banned, and you appear.
B) You have the similar email address and exact same IP address.
C) You have requested, in essence, the exact same items that your brother requested.
Now if I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt (which there appears absolutely no reason for me to) I'd prefer you were at least a bit more cleaver with the new account. Distancing yourself from your erratic and inconsolable brother by doing a fair number of similar things is a bit of a stretch for me to come to terms with.
I'd also like you to know - while I am not familiar with your brothers work - I do not appreciate my fellow friends/mods stirred to a frenzy by these actions.
Quote from: Hexdrinker on May 12, 2013, 08:53:07 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
I am simply giving this community what they deserve. A simple caution. You'll note that I simply stated to the community to trade at their own risk. This is universal of course, but in your case, it deserved special mention.
I had found your email address linked to the Opticarrow8 user on Scythe. Same one used to register here. But alas isn't it odd that the same email is used for Hexdrinker? Of course I won't publicly post your email address's.
A PM from a fellow mod...
Re: (No subject)
Today at 02:45:00 PM
Yes. That is Opicarrow's. Hexdrinker's is the same thing but its an @gmail.com address.
That in no way means that it is my account and deserves to be publicly posted in an attempt to ruin my reputation.
My brother got banned on there as well, for the same thing he got banned on here for. He then took my email to make the account in question. Trust me i beat his ass when i found out.
This is the kind of response I was talking about in my PM to you. How do you expect to change minds when you get so riled up over something like this? You want to be treated like one of us? Then act like one of us. We have a duty as moderators to protect and keep the peace around here. Giving a fair warning to other traders is not an unreasonable post, so please stop overreacting. You are only making it worse for yourself.
Someone needs a wake up call... Or a long walk off a short pier
Quote from: BcBudds on May 12, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
Someone needs a wake up call... Or a long walk off a short pier
Do you mind elaborating? I dont see your point.
Both of you knock it off right now. I will not have anymore fuel be added to the fire. What did I tell you Hex? You want people to trust you, yet the only moderator on your side you are ignoring. Is it really that hard to do what I told you to do? Just let it be. This is a good time for a Beatles song . . .
Regardless, you are going to lose the only ally you have Hex. I am a forgiving person, but you are starting to force my hand here. Please do not make things any worse for yourself.
Whispered words of wisdom.. Let it be DumDumDum
Quote from: MisterJH on May 12, 2013, 09:34:49 PM
Whispered words of wisdom.. Let it be DumDumDum
This man knows of good music. Well done sir!
I for one am happy to trade with this guy as long as he sends first. Prior history is not important as long as he sends first.
Quote from: Xaol on May 12, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
I for one am happy to trade with this guy as long as he sends first. Prior history is not important as long as he sends first.
Agree.
It's unfortunate that the crimes of your brother are passed on to you, but it is up to you to show the community that you are an honest individual! unfortunately life isn't fair, and measurements must be taken to ensure the safety of the community. Prove all the doubtful folks wrong!
I have done succesful business with Opticarrow and I, if I may, henceforth deem him as trustworthy.
Quote from: Bozo_Law on May 13, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
I have done succesful business with Opticarrow and I, if I may, henceforth deem him as trustworthy.
I've had a trade with him for a little bit (maybe a week?) and have not yet received. I did however have him send first, so if I don't receive a {Cavern of Souls}, that's cool.
Can this be un-stickied? Should be able to be handled in the untrustworthy trader thread. Thanks.
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 14, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
Can this be un-stickied? Should be able to be handled in the untrustworthy trader thread. Thanks.
I'm going to say we hold off on unsticky-ing it for now. As with the Boyesrobert/therobsta ordeal, just giving people fair warning that they may want to use caution when trading with this individual. I'm thinking take it down at the end of this week.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 14, 2013, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 14, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
Can this be un-stickied? Should be able to be handled in the untrustworthy trader thread. Thanks.
I'm going to say we hold off on unsticky-ing it for now. As with the Boyesrobert/therobsta ordeal, just giving people fair warning that they may want to use caution when trading with this individual. I'm thinking take it down at the end of this week.
I thought both his accounts got banned, if not my bad.
As far as I know, Hexdrinker is not banned.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 14, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
As far as I know, Hexdrinker is not banned.
He is not. He rage quit because we're an abusive community, apparently.
Quote from: Potticus on May 15, 2013, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 14, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 14, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
As far as I know, Hexdrinker is not banned.
He is not. He rage quit because we're an abusive community, apparently.
You bastards...
lol pardon me for using friendly (at first) warnings to deter negative attitudes :P
Might as well add Slenderbro to this list of names
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Might as well add Slenderbro to this list of names
Shhhh :D
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on May 23, 2013, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Might as well add Slenderbro to this list of names
Shhhh :D
Community deserves to know
Wait!?!? What are you hiding from us ?!?!?! :O
Nothing. Slenderbro has posted his Xbox live user name as Opticarrow... 1+1 = suspicious
No my bad, not Xbox live account, but some gaming account regardless
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on May 23, 2013, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Might as well add Slenderbro to this list of names
Shhhh :D
Community deserves to know
Wait!?!? What are you hiding from us ?!?!?! :O
Nothing. Slenderbro has posted his Xbox live user name as Opticarrow... 1+1 = suspicious
Lmao lol:) idk but thats funny
Yeah I mean he posted it himself. Albeit in a section that gets less traffic, but a section that is public nonetheless.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 23, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Yeah I mean he posted it himself. Albeit in a section that gets less traffic, but a section that is public nonetheless.
Which one
Digital -> Lets play some league as a "clan"
Which reminds me! Slenderbro, if you truly are Opticarrow8, can I please have that {Cavern of Souls} you were supposed to send?
Lol hays' avatar is perfect for posting things that seem suspicious
I'll start a screenplay:
Slenderbro: (to Opticarrow8 and Hexdrinker) I'M YOUR FATHER.
Quote from: Piotr on May 23, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
I'll start a screenplay:
Slenderbro: (to Opticarrow8 and Hexdrinker) I'M YOUR FATHER.
If I remember correctly, please do correct me if I'm wrong
Opticarrow8 and Hexdrinker: ( to Slenderbro)
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
We mods are investigating to figure out the truth of the matter. Slenderbro vehemently insists that he is not Opticarrow, but rather a friend of his who now owns Opticarrow's phone. Sounds fishy, I know, but I reminded him that lying breaks iMtG law. He stuck with his story, however.
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
We mods are investigating to figure out the truth of the matter. Slenderbro vehemently insists that he is not Opticarrow, but rather a friend of his who now owns Opticarrow's phone. Sounds fishy, I know, but I reminded him that lying breaks iMtG law. He stuck with his story, however.
Ok i dont mean to be that guy but SERIOUSLY?! CMON OPTICARROW JUST SEEMS TO HAVE SOLD HIS PHONE AT THIS TIME? No way, nothing besides meeting opticarrow, his 'brother', and slenderbro would ever make this seem logical and truthful. No. No way.
Quote from: MisterJH on May 23, 2013, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
We mods are investigating to figure out the truth of the matter. Slenderbro vehemently insists that he is not Opticarrow, but rather a friend of his who now owns Opticarrow's phone. Sounds fishy, I know, but I reminded him that lying breaks iMtG law. He stuck with his story, however.
Ok i dont mean to be that guy but SERIOUSLY?! CMON OPTICARROW JUST SEEMS TO HAVE SOLD HIS PHONE AT THIS TIME? No way, nothing besides meeting opticarrow, his 'brother', and slenderbro would ever make this seem logical and truthful. No. No way.
Totally agree.
Glad I didn't trade with him.
Also it is a coincidence that the "person" he "sold" it to plays magic
I dont think thats strange, magic players befriend magic players. Its a common love. I dont believe said phone would suspiciously change hands just as each account is banned or 'marked' as a troll. Its not logical.
Quote from: MisterJH on May 23, 2013, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
We mods are investigating to figure out the truth of the matter. Slenderbro vehemently insists that he is not Opticarrow, but rather a friend of his who now owns Opticarrow's phone. Sounds fishy, I know, but I reminded him that lying breaks iMtG law. He stuck with his story, however.
Ok i dont mean to be that guy but SERIOUSLY?! CMON OPTICARROW JUST SEEMS TO HAVE SOLD HIS PHONE AT THIS TIME? No way, nothing besides meeting opticarrow, his 'brother', and slenderbro would ever make this seem logical and truthful. No. No way.
I mean, I concur, and I'm pretty sure the rest of the mods do as well. However, we do have to consider every option and strive to be unbiased. That's part of what makes our jobs so much harder. We have to be much less objective than the normal user. As such, we have to talk to him to try to divine the truth from the lies.
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on May 23, 2013, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 23, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
We mods are investigating to figure out the truth of the matter. Slenderbro vehemently insists that he is not Opticarrow, but rather a friend of his who now owns Opticarrow's phone. Sounds fishy, I know, but I reminded him that lying breaks iMtG law. He stuck with his story, however.
Ok i dont mean to be that guy but SERIOUSLY?! CMON OPTICARROW JUST SEEMS TO HAVE SOLD HIS PHONE AT THIS TIME? No way, nothing besides meeting opticarrow, his 'brother', and slenderbro would ever make this seem logical and truthful. No. No way.
I mean, I concur, and I'm pretty sure the rest of the mods do as well. However, we do have to consider every option and strive to be unbiased. That's part of what makes our jobs so much harder. We have to be much less objective than the normal user. As such, we have to talk to him to try to divine the truth from the lies.
Just my 2 cents, I found opticarrow extremely obnoxious and annoying, slenderbro hasn't annoyed me at all as of yet
Quote from: S717 on May 24, 2013, 02:14:15 AM
Just my 2 cents, I found opticarrow extremely obnoxious and annoying, slenderbro hasn't annoyed me at all as of yet
That means he is learning: excellent!
Quote from: Piotr on May 24, 2013, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: S717 on May 24, 2013, 02:14:15 AM
Just my 2 cents, I found opticarrow extremely obnoxious and annoying, slenderbro hasn't annoyed me at all as of yet
That means he is learning: excellent!
Lol