I want to make everyone aware of a situation I encountered with this user... Because we could not come to an agreement on a trade that he really wanted, he felt the need to slander my name and make a post warning everyone that I was trying to rip him off! Be cautious of this guy... If he doesn't get things his way he'll try to ruin your reputation... I've made several high dollar trades and I'm all over the trusted traders list... So for such an accusation to occur is just ridiculous... Be forewarned...
Sorry bro, but I'm gonna have to take Jdogs side with this. I've traded with him. He's very easy to traded with. He didn't argue with me on trades, he pmed in a timely manner, and wasn't butt hurt if I told him no to a card.
Btw I only seen your name once on TT list.
Further more, if he slandered your name that doesn't give you the right to slander his. I never seen a post from Jdog talking about you(I'm not saying he didn't just saying I didn't see it). This forum isn't for talking trash about its other members. If you have a problem with a member you should talk with them in pm and if nothing is resolved PM a mod instead of making your problems a part of the forum.
Thank you : Karrthus
Links to said slandering, please? You can PM them to me if you wish.
Ive had several messages between Jdog, idr if weve ever traded but i know weve come close many times and simply been unable to reach an equal compromise, and he never complained when something didnt pan out. Id be surprised and shocked if said slandering occurred, please link asap if youre comfortable doing so
The situation probably happened, but with the names reversed. Although, if it happened in a pm. Just hit quote to the pm, copy it, then paste it. Here, ill even show it can be done
Quote from: Karrthus on May 05, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
Sry bird, I didn't realize you weren't on there. I'll update rite quick. An you were rite, it was a trade for your izzet deck at the time.
I can vouch for jdog as a good trader.
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 09:32:34 PM
The situation probably happened, but with the names reversed. Although, if it happened in a pm. Just hit quote to the pm, copy it, then paste it. Here, ill even show it can be done
Quote from: Karrthus on May 05, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
Sry bird, I didn't realize you weren't on there. I'll update rite quick. An you were rite, it was a trade for your izzet deck at the time.
If it happened in a PM, then it isn't slander and should be kept to PMs.
Yea I too have trade with him, and had no problems.
Me too. He is a great trader
I'd be glad to show the messages to everyone... He wanted my {Voice of Resurgence} and I had originally asked for a {Huntmaster of the Fells} and 2 {Varolz, the Scar-Striped}, and asked the condition of the huntmaster because my voice is mint... He said it was in poor condition so I asked if it would be ok if he tossed in more of my needed... He said that would be ok... So I sent another offer which I can attest was clearly way more than it should have been but I wanted him to see the cards I had my eyes on in hopes he would choose something out of them to toss in... Instead he started freaking out and calling me a scam artist and said he was making a post about me... Now idk about you all, but for someone to jump right into that is a little ridiculous...
id have to be on foreplays side here. i just had a trade with him a couple days ago and i didnt have any problems with him. however i have not traded with jdogtoocool. Foreplay is a great trader!
Quote from: Karrthus on May 06, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
Sorry bro, but I'm gonna have to take Jdogs side with this. I've traded with him. He's very easy to traded with. He didn't argue with me on trades, he pmed in a timely manner, and wasn't butt hurt if I told him no to a card.
Btw I only seen your name once on TT list.
Further more, if he slandered your name that doesn't give you the right to slander his. I never seen a post from Jdog talking about you(I'm not saying he didn't just saying I didn't see it). This forum isn't for talking trash about its other members. If you have a problem with a member you should talk with them in pm and if nothing is resolved PM a mod instead of making your problems a part of the forum.
Thank you : Karrthus
Wasn't sure how to contact an mod but if they would take care of his post about me that would be great...
The mods are watching
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on May 05, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 05, 2013, 10:58:02 AM
So honestly what would you put its worth at? Would you toss in something else off my needed that would make it more even then? I mean my card is def. gunna be prolly on the high card side in value for sure... And I really do believe this cards value will rise even higher... It seems very over powered to me... But we can only speculate for the time being
Yeah it's definitely a gamble but yeah I'd be willing to help you out with a few more cards from your needed.
Quote from: Hays413 on May 06, 2013, 09:50:00 PM
The mods are watching
They're ALWAYS watching... :p
The mods are a part of the community, its great, but that means if one person knows, EVERY MOD knows. So be careful ;)
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on May 06, 2013, 11:44:38 AM
Wow you crack me up kid, I'm done 'negotiating' with you
-you've been added to the caution list-
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Karrthus on May 06, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
Sorry bro, but I'm gonna have to take Jdogs side with this. I've traded with him. He's very easy to traded with. He didn't argue with me on trades, he pmed in a timely manner, and wasn't butt hurt if I told him no to a card.
Btw I only seen your name once on TT list.
Further more, if he slandered your name that doesn't give you the right to slander his. I never seen a post from Jdog talking about you(I'm not saying he didn't just saying I didn't see it). This forum isn't for talking trash about its other members. If you have a problem with a member you should talk with them in pm and if nothing is resolved PM a mod instead of making your problems a part of the forum.
Thank you : Karrthus
Wasn't sure how to contact an mod but if they would take care of his post about me that would be great...
As for this alleged "post" from Jdog, his last post was today, nothing about you, then again 4 May. Again, nothing about you. 29 April, nothing about you.
Please clarify and quote
And I never said he wasn't a good trader... All I said was how he blew up on me and then posted me as a caution on the trusted traders list for no reason... A little over the top for not coming to an agreement which I was trying my best to come to
He has not made any post about you, and as such, this thread is out of line. He can say he's making a post about you all he wants, but until he actually does it, iMtG law is keeping us from doing anything about it. That would be use of force in prevention. He has broken no iMtG laws.
It seems like a combination of things: misunderstanding, when you put a bunch of cards and expected him to pick and choose which to add, and he thought you wanted all of those cards: quick reactions on both parts: and senstivity, as he doesnt seem to have slandered your name exactly.
In the future, try to be more clear in your intentions/expectations people! Not targeting you OP, this is a generic post directed to all following.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 09:56:50 PM
He has not made any post about you, and as such, this thread is out of line. He can say he's making a post about you all he wants, but until he actually does it, iMtG law is keeping us from doing anything about it. That would be use of force in prevention. He has broken no iMtG laws.
I promise you he updated his trusted traders list and I found my name on it under caution- "tryed to rip me off"
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on March 03, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
Started trading on here in early February 2013, but I've using imtg for much longer than that.
2013 -trusted-
{NyghtHawk} recommend this trader
-traded multiple times
{Juggernuat9060} very easy to trade with
-traded multiple times
{Elitehalo360} very honest trader $25+ trade
{Boyesrobert} low value trade
{Silent1236} cool and easy to trade with
-traded multiple times
{iTzTowelie404} traded twice, twice successful
{Stoneco1d869} +1 quick and easy
{Marcjh0905} made a $25+ trade.
-traded multiple times
{Jackson get out} took a while but trade completed
{Falcon182} $25+ trade completed
{Missingkirby34} cool trader sent extras
{All-.force. Mania} finally my card came in
{Karrthus} trade complete
{Potticus} got cards rapid fast
{RevanJJ} very easy to deal with
{Johng4490} quick and easy trade
{InfinitiveDivinity} easy trade, sent extras :)
{Greg54js} _trade w/caution_
{Ragingtiger} got my side of the trade quickly + he sent first
-untrustworthy-
Ericlay94/Ericlay95 still waiting on my foil hallowed fountain to be returned, trade began
2-6-13
-caution-
{Foreplay0333} tried to rip me off
-in progress-
{Tasby} 5/1/13
2 things to note.
I've had trades with both of these users no problem so idk who is out of line but I think the thread should not have been started. If there was a problem, pm myself or other mods to see if it can be worked out.
The post in question that he is referring to is Jdogs trusted trader post. Jdog edited it and put a caution section and listed foreplays name on it.
I think foreplay, you should have pmed a mod first to see if it could have been resolved before being posted on, as like Ive said, both of you have had good standings in trades thus far.
Here it is for all those who don't believe... Now when he corrects that I'll be ok...
Ok he made a caution. PM, see if its a misunderstanding, realize he didnt say you were untrustworthy. All he said is basically you tried to milk a cards value. In fact it seems likethat from you saying you think itll go up in price.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on May 06, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
2 things to note.
I've had trades with both of these users no problem so idk who is out of line but I think the thread should not have been started. If there was a problem, pm myself or other mods to see if it can be worked out.
The post in question that he is referring to is Jdogs trusted trader post. Jdog edited it and put a caution section and listed foreplays name on it.
I think foreplay, you should have pmed a mod first to see if it could have been resolved before being posted on, as like Ive said, both of you have had good standings in trades thus far.
Exactly I've never had a bad trade situation do I was taken aback for him to slander my name... I was unaware how to contact an mod but figured this would suffice
Quote from: MisterJH on May 06, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Ok he made a caution. PM, see if its a misunderstanding, realize he didnt say you were untrustworthy. All he said is basically you tried to milk a cards value. In fact it seems likethat from you saying you think itll go up in price.
well the day before the cards value rose 8 bucks so I made it known... I don't see an issue trying to get the most out of a new unknown card that the price has been sky rocketing on...
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on March 03, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
Started trading on here in early February 2013, but I've using imtg for much longer than that.
2013 -trusted-
{NyghtHawk} recommend this trader
-traded multiple times
{Juggernuat9060} very easy to trade with
-traded multiple times
{Elitehalo360} very honest trader $25+ trade
{Boyesrobert} low value trade
{Silent1236} cool and easy to trade with
-traded multiple times
{iTzTowelie404} traded twice, twice successful
{Stoneco1d869} +1 quick and easy
{Marcjh0905} made a $25+ trade.
-traded multiple times
{Jackson get out} took a while but trade completed
{Falcon182} $25+ trade completed
{Missingkirby34} cool trader sent extras
{All-.force. Mania} finally my card came in
{Karrthus} trade complete
{Potticus} got cards rapid fast
{RevanJJ} very easy to deal with
{Johng4490} quick and easy trade
{InfinitiveDivinity} easy trade, sent extras :)
{Greg54js} _trade w/caution_
{Ragingtiger} got my side of the trade quickly + he sent first
-untrustworthy-
Ericlay94/Ericlay95 still waiting on my foil hallowed fountain to be returned, trade began
2-6-13
-caution-
{Foreplay0333} tried to rip me off
-in progress-
{Tasby} 5/1/13
Just for reference, saying "tried to rip me off" doesnt mean trying to scam; it means that the difference in $ of the trade was unfavorable to him. To slam him on a public post over a notion of a bad trade is unacceptable in my opinion. Can we get a mod to take this whole thread down before he hits -99?
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
If you apologize for the misunderstanding and stop referring to slander and such ill give you +1 cuz youre gonna need it soon
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
I tried resolving this with JdogtoocoolI directly but it escalated... Idk about you but when someone straight away jumps to telling you in a PM that they putting you on a caution list, it pisses you off... Especially when you didn't do anything to deserve it...
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
I tried resolving this with JdogtoocoolI directly but it escalated... Idk about you but when someone straight away jumps to telling you in a PM that they putting you on a caution list, it pisses you off... Especially when you didn't do anything to deserve it...
The thing about deserving, is that it's opinion based.
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
I tried resolving this with JdogtoocoolI directly but it escalated... Idk about you but when someone straight away jumps to telling you in a PM that they putting you on a caution list, it pisses you off... Especially when you didn't do anything to deserve it...
And we understand that, but you obviously got your revenge plus some, so stop commenting after this plz and let it drop before you get too many neg karma pings.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
I tried resolving this with JdogtoocoolI directly but it escalated... Idk about you but when someone straight away jumps to telling you in a PM that they putting you on a caution list, it pisses you off... Especially when you didn't do anything to deserve it...
And we understand that, but you obviously got your revenge plus some, so stop commenting after this plz and let it drop before you get too many neg karma pings.
Not sure y I'd be getting bad karma when he slashed out at me first... Whether its a caution list or not, he shouldn't have brought it to that and not expected something posted badly in return... But either way I'm sorry for the post next time I'll go straight to an mod... But I still would like his comment removed... Opinion or not I never deserved that... And those I have traded with should know I'm a man of my word...
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:51:29 PM
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: Foreplay0333 on May 06, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 06, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
Then I stand corrected on him making a post. However, I think this could've been handled a little more tactfully. A PM to a mod or JDog himself, as NyghtHawk suggested, wouldve sufficed. In the future, try to resolve things by PM first and foremost before jumping to making a thread and putting people's business out in the street. It makes you perceived to be someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly and thus will make people exercise caution when dealing with you.
I tried resolving this with JdogtoocoolI directly but it escalated... Idk about you but when someone straight away jumps to telling you in a PM that they putting you on a caution list, it pisses you off... Especially when you didn't do anything to deserve it...
And we understand that, but you obviously got your revenge plus some, so stop commenting after this plz and let it drop before you get too many neg karma pings.
Not sure y I'd be getting bad karma when he slashed out at me first... Whether its a caution list or not, he shouldn't have brought it to that and not expected something posted badly in return... But either way I'm sorry for the post next time I'll go straight to an mod... But I still would like his comment removed... Opinion or not I never deserved that... And those I have traded with should know I'm a man of my word...
Thanks for the neg karma btw, really helped. I'm just trying to get this over with because a: it has no place in the trade advertisements section, and b: i'm getting sick of seeing people commenting on this and only this. I keep up with the trade section and this is becoming spam.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMJust for reference, saying "tried to rip me off" doesnt mean trying to scam; it means that the difference in $ of the trade was unfavorable to him. To slam him on a public post over a notion of a bad trade is unacceptable in my opinion.
Sounds legit.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMCan we get a mod to take this whole thread down before he hits -99?
No :)
Quote from: Piotr on May 08, 2013, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMJust for reference, saying "tried to rip me off" doesnt mean trying to scam; it means that the difference in $ of the trade was unfavorable to him. To slam him on a public post over a notion of a bad trade is unacceptable in my opinion.
Sounds legit.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMCan we get a mod to take this whole thread down before he hits -99?
No :)
He's like nope lol
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on May 08, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 08, 2013, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMJust for reference, saying "tried to rip me off" doesnt mean trying to scam; it means that the difference in $ of the trade was unfavorable to him. To slam him on a public post over a notion of a bad trade is unacceptable in my opinion.
Sounds legit.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMCan we get a mod to take this whole thread down before he hits -99?
No :)
He's like nope lol
Yeah he doesnt seem to grasp that "tried to rip me off != scamming".
(For those who dont write code != is "not equal to" in most object oriented languages)
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 08, 2013, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on May 08, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 08, 2013, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMJust for reference, saying "tried to rip me off" doesnt mean trying to scam; it means that the difference in $ of the trade was unfavorable to him. To slam him on a public post over a notion of a bad trade is unacceptable in my opinion.
Sounds legit.
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on May 06, 2013, 10:08:52 PMCan we get a mod to take this whole thread down before he hits -99?
No :)
He's like nope lol
Yeah he doesnt seem to grasp that "tried to rip me off != scamming".
(For those who dont write code != is "not equal to" in most object oriented languages)
Who is he, me? ;)
No there were a lot of implications in his post but he was definitely referring to the OP. When are we getting the integrated app notification update btw Piotr?
Hmm umm, well, maybe, like can I have some other question please? 😨