Slivers?!?!
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa
God I hope so. I need more reasons to buy core sets.
where'd you see this?
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/
God no whhhyyyyy
Quote from: prayos on May 06, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/
woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is awesome!!!!
Ugh...
I never realy liked slivers. But I'll give them a chance. And if I don't like them after that chance, well, I guess I'll never play them again
Eh, any slivers they print are just going to be worse versions of the ones that already exist. As a casual player, (and someone who enjoys slivers) I'm a bit underwhelmed. Some of those look humanoid too, which is weird!
The slivers must be weakening without there queen. Though this is a core set...maybe they're going to bring slivers back sometime in the near future?
I thought I read something that slivers shoul not ever go to dominara (where th core sets were I thought) due to changelings being there. Is that right or what?
The core sets arnt in the first plane. Krenko is from ravnica
Quote from: Vyse on May 06, 2013, 07:35:49 PM
I thought I read something that slivers shoul not ever go to dominara (where th core sets were I thought) due to changelings being there. Is that right or what?
Actually, Slivers are native to Dominaria. The humanoid slivers we see in the spoilers might be changeling sliver things.
OMG gotta dig up my old slivers deck and reformat. Move over elves, slivers is my new target for {Primal Surge}
I was gonna take some $$ off for M14, but not now. I was looking forward to the extra cash to :-/
I'm loving the slivers!
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 07:42:15 PM
The core sets arnt in the first plane. Krenko is from ravnica
Then how do you explain {Odric, Master Tactician} from innistrad and {Talrand, Sky Summoner} from shandalar, and {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis} from grixis?
Seems just as broken as ever to me(at least as far as standard is concerned)
I saw this on Facebook an everyone has been saying they'll stop playing cause of them coming back. Why? It's not like there over powered, or even under powered. Seems people are blowing them way out of proportion. I kinda like them.
Doesn't matter. Some people hate them. I was one of those people, but have decided to give them a chance
Quote from: Harvest on May 06, 2013, 08:34:39 PM
I saw this on Facebook an everyone has been saying they'll stop playing cause of them coming back. Why? It's not like there over powered, or even under powered. Seems people are blowing them way out of proportion. I kinda like them.
Stopping playing because a popular old tribal creature type is getting a few new prints seems a little silly.
They seem fine. Sure, it's a strong tribe, but I definitely agree that it's being blown out if proportion.
Well we were expecting a tribal set next. Maybe theros will be tribal.
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
As long as they don't have a sliver that makes them all indestructible, I'm fine. I'll overlook this continued dumbing down of the game toward low-curve, easy to design and play aggro decks.
Slivers were always a tribe for new players that like playing creatures. I could see them being a problem in the current environment. There are just not any effective ways to punish aggro players. And it SEEMS like, on the surface, a Sliver deck with access to tons of colors could be potent.
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
i thought Amazonian's were Greek. Whatever, I just hope they make whatever that strong female tribe is that was in Greece. It would probably be {G}{R} though
Board wipes, as long as slivers dont get indestructible or hexproof/shroud
Spot removal turns slivers into basically a bunch of creatures with bad effects. I could see a soulbound shroud sliver though. But i think if done right theyll jst e another annoying aggro deck that ruins standar for non aggro a little more
I found this
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en&biw=320&bih=416&ei=bjiIUYXFK8WMygGQr4GoBw&q=were+amazonians+greek%3F&oq=were+amazonians+greek%3F&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..0i22i30l2.6145693.6167637.0.6168294.44.42.1.0.0.4.368.5894.21j6j11j3.41.0...0.0...1c.1.12.mobile-gws-serp.k6qkD-KLfWU#itp=open0
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
i thought Amazonian's were Greek. Whatever, I just hope they make whatever that strong female tribe is that was in Greece. It would probably be {G}{R} though
Bird, you're correct. Valkyries are Norse. If they do amazonians, they better do Spartans.
Concerning slivers, eh it's just gonna be a cute tribal that'll be decent for the time that {Cavern of Souls} is still around but I don't think it'll be tops. Especially with the mana cost of these guys. It's like looking at bad reproductions. {Horned Sliver} and {Heart Sliver} vs these guys?
Quote from: Keyeto on May 06, 2013, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Vyse on May 06, 2013, 07:35:49 PM
I thought I read something that slivers shoul not ever go to dominara (where th core sets were I thought) due to changelings being there. Is that right or what?
Actually, Slivers are native to Dominaria. The humanoid slivers we see in the spoilers might be changeling sliver things.
They are actually native to Rath. Used by volrath to invade Dominaria for Yawgmoth.
The ones they spoiled so far are pretty high cost, they're also commons. It's possible they won't be playable, but they will be the favorite tribe of the new generation of players.
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
i thought Amazonian's were Greek. Whatever, I just hope they make whatever that strong female tribe is that was in Greece. It would probably be {G}{R} though
Bird, you're correct. Valkyries are Norse. If they do amazonians, they better do Spartans.
Concerning slivers, eh it's just gonna be a cute tribal that'll be decent for the time that {Cavern of Souls} is still around but I don't think it'll be tops. Especially with the mana cost of these guys. It's like looking at bad reproductions. {Horned Sliver} and {Heart Sliver} vs these guys?
Amazonian's and Spartans are both part of Greek mythology. If either is missing, ill be disappointed with the Theros block
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
i thought Amazonian's were Greek. Whatever, I just hope they make whatever that strong female tribe is that was in Greece. It would probably be {G}{R} though
Bird, you're correct. Valkyries are Norse. If they do amazonians, they better do Spartans.
Concerning slivers, eh it's just gonna be a cute tribal that'll be decent for the time that {Cavern of Souls} is still around but I don't think it'll be tops. Especially with the mana cost of these guys. It's like looking at bad reproductions. {Horned Sliver} and {Heart Sliver} vs these guys?
Amazonian's and Spartans are both part of Greek mythology. If either is missing, ill be disappointed with the Theros block
Ant wait to see how the gods will be represented in theros.
Theros, properly done, can be amazing with all the interesting things in Greek mythology. I would LOVE to see representations of the Titans and when Zeus and the other god's over throw them. Just a lot of really interesting stuff.
Quote from: Quisequise on May 06, 2013, 09:16:33 PM
Theroes, properly done, can be amazing with all the interesting things in Greek mythology.
agreed. I hope they handle this better than they did kamigawa. Which I think is more R&D, not design, why it got screwed up like it did
{Sentinel sliver} for 2 mana and vigilance this card is way better that the older one
OH MY GOD THE TITANS!!!!! Totally forgot about them, now I'm even more excited haha.
Quote from: KangaRod on May 06, 2013, 09:32:28 PM
I'm just mad cause they're taking up good common slots that are usually reserved for awesome cheap creatures.
The good news about them printing these bull.poo. tribal creatures across all these colours is that there will have to be some kind of mana fixing for limited, which means the duals probably are sticking around, or some sort of common fixing that does the same thing.
Agreed. Limited will be much like this: what're you playing? Jund slivers, you? Naya slivers...
It will be nice for the new players and could interest more into playing. As long as they reprint {Extinction} I think I won't mind standard slivers much.
How about the one drop that gives them all first strike.. I find that fairly good... In fact i wouldnt mind drawing it early late or mid game
I just hope I don't pull many at the prerelease. And if I do have to use one, that its playable by itself
^ 1 for a 1/1 with first strike? 2 for a 2/2 with vigilance? Not great but absolutely playable imo.. Better than most of the poop creatures in standard right now! Its gonna be fun
The 1/1 for 1 with first strike isn't really that good...they seem to be priced fairly prohibitively for competitive players tastes. But they are commons, so hope for some more complexities and playability exists at higher rarity.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 06, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
The 1/1 for 1 with first strike isn't really that good...they seem to be priced fairly prohibitively for competitive players tastes. But they are commons, so hope for some more complexities and playability exists at higher rarity.
I think its pretty good but thats just me... {mutilate} is rotating out, leaving {supreme verdict} and spot removal as the only ways to deal, and having a board full of first strikers for 1 mana fits my taste. Idk maybe i just overrate first strike but its really nice imp, especially with the vigilance sliver
It is just a 1/1 that sets a 1 damage clock. So you could theoretically kill someone in 20 turns. The first strike is kinda useless on a 1/1, it chumps and that's about it - I don't imagine it trading for many creatures. But the slivers are more the sum of their parts, and each of them count.
Unless they're resistant to {Mizzium Mortars} or {Supreme Verdict}, it'll be for new players in a controlled environment like Duels of the Planeswalkers
It gives all slivers first strike right? Thats what i think is sweet
Slivers are definitely better at evolution than the simic. Though spot removal does change things massively in a sliver game, I will be playing {Merciless Eviction} at my lg as most players here are super excited about slivers.
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 10:05:10 PM
Slivers are definitely better at evolution than the simic. Though spot removal does change things massively in a sliver game, I will be playing {Merciless Eviction} at my lg as most players here are super excited about slivers.
Ooooo simic slivers. Plus one with evolve sounds scary hahaha. That'd be fun.
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 10:05:10 PM
Slivers are definitely better at evolution than the simic. Though spot removal does change things massively in a sliver game, I will be playing {Merciless Eviction} at my lg as most players here are super excited about slivers.
The funny thing is if they reprint {Crystaline Sliver} spot removal will be a thing of the past.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 10:05:10 PM
Slivers are definitely better at evolution than the simic. Though spot removal does change things massively in a sliver game, I will be playing {Merciless Eviction} at my lg as most players here are super excited about slivers.
The funny thing is if they reprint {Crystaline Sliver} spot removal will be a thing of the past.
I hope they don't. I'm not worried about indestructible ones but shroud sucks...
{B}{B}
Death sliver
All slivers are sacrificed
1/1
This could work against shroud slivers
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 10:05:10 PM
Slivers are definitely better at evolution than the simic. Though spot removal does change things massively in a sliver game, I will be playing {Merciless Eviction} at my lg as most players here are super excited about slivers.
The funny thing is if they reprint {Crystaline Sliver} spot removal will be a thing of the past.
I hope they don't. I'm not worried about indestructible ones but shroud sucks...
You see, I see that as standard it sucks, because with all this .poo. Going on it does. Think modern though, that card with a {True Believer} with something like a {Xenograph} maybe, and you have a practically game set match.
"All Slivers you control are indestructible."
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 06, 2013, 10:50:06 PM
"All Slivers you control are indestructible."
Now that's a new sliver I would use.
I hope they arent too OP, or OP at all.. I actualy hope they become fun and complex not 'oh i drew these 5 slivers, so ill win by habing 5 slivers with 5 awesome effects'
And next game being 'oh i drew these 4 slivers... Etc etc'
Quote from: Harvest on May 06, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 06, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
I hope they make Amazonian's! I just love strong female archetypes!
The Amazonian's were Greek warrior women
You're thinking Valkeries.
i thought Amazonian's were Greek. Whatever, I just hope they make whatever that strong female tribe is that was in Greece. It would probably be {G}{R} though
Bird, you're correct. Valkyries are Norse. If they do amazonians, they better do Spartans.
Concerning slivers, eh it's just gonna be a cute tribal that'll be decent for the time that {Cavern of Souls} is still around but I don't think it'll be tops. Especially with the mana cost of these guys. It's like looking at bad reproductions. {Horned Sliver} and {Heart Sliver} vs these guys?
Amazonian's and Spartans are both part of Greek mythology. If either is missing, ill be disappointed with the Theros block
Ant wait to see how the gods will be represented in theros.
I wasn't going to say anything about it but its driving me crazy, they're called amazons guys not amazonians, other than that I agree with everything said, amazons, Spartans, titans, gods, hell I hope they throw in some heroes too: Achilles, Heracles, Theseus, Odysseus, Perseus, and monsters: Scylla, harpies, medusa, chimera, the nimean lion, the Cretan Minotaur, and of course the Cretan labyrinth would make a good mythic land
I hope if they do the labyrinth it has some effect that makes it feel labyrinthy
What's Theros?