Why is {Glimpse of Nature} still 20 bucks it is banned in modern and it hade a suedo reprint {Beck // Call} which for 1 more mana is better than {Glimpse of Nature} but {Beck // Call} is only 2 to 3 bucks do you guys think it will get to be 20 bucks like {Glimpse of Nature}?
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Quote from: KangaRod on May 06, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
2 colour, 2 mana spell is not even close to the same thing as a 1 mana 1 colour spell, even if their abilities are the same.
Is {Searing Spear} the same as a {Lightning Bolt}? {Searing Spear} doesn't even have an off colour as its extra casing cost, it's got a colourless.
Very true +1 from me
Quote from: bravado883 on May 06, 2013, 12:55:20 PM
This is just like {Victim of Night} and {Thoughtseize}. Victim is better in every way...but cost 2 colorless more. 2 colorless makes a $60 difference!
They do totally different things though.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 06, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on May 06, 2013, 12:55:20 PM
This is just like {Victim of Night} and {Thoughtseize}. Victim is better in every way...but cost 2 colorless more. 2 colorless makes a $60 difference!
They do totally different things though.
They're similar in a round about way. You're removing the threat before you have to use removal on it.
{Thoughtseize} is dramatically better in nearly every single way though.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 06, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 06, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on May 06, 2013, 12:55:20 PM
This is just like {Victim of Night} and {Thoughtseize}. Victim is better in every way...but cost 2 colorless more. 2 colorless makes a $60 difference!
They do totally different things though.
They're similar in a round about way. You're removing the threat before you have to use removal on it.
{Thoughtseize} is dramatically better in nearly every single way though.
Or he might have been talking about {Distress}
I don't think meant {Victim of the Night} however, perhaps {Coercion}? It is 2 colorless more, and hits everything unlike {Thoughtseize}
Paying that much for a {Duress} effect is pretty bad, it's why it doesn't see play vs. {Thoughtseize}. While better, it doesn't do enough, especially when you need it.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 06, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
Paying that much for a {Duress} effect is pretty bad, it's why it doesn't see play vs. {Thoughtseize}. While better, it doesn't do enough, especially when you need it.
{Thoughtseize} is waayyyyyyy to much money!
Quote from: KangaRod on May 06, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
2 colour, 2 mana spell is not even close to the same thing as a 1 mana 1 colour spell, even if their abilities are the same.
Is {Searing Spear} the same as a {Lightning Bolt}? {Searing Spear} doesn't even have an off colour as its extra casing cost, it's got a colourless.
{searing spear} is actually good in a burn deck if you want to cram more burn in. Would you rather have 4 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage? Or 8 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage?
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on May 06, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
2 colour, 2 mana spell is not even close to the same thing as a 1 mana 1 colour spell, even if their abilities are the same.
Is {Searing Spear} the same as a {Lightning Bolt}? {Searing Spear} doesn't even have an off colour as its extra casing cost, it's got a colourless.
{searing spear} is actually good in a burn deck if you want to cram more burn in. Would you rather have 4 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage? Or 8 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage?
Yes, but {Lightning Bolt} > {Searing Spear} any day.
Quote from: Xaol on May 06, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on May 06, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
2 colour, 2 mana spell is not even close to the same thing as a 1 mana 1 colour spell, even if their abilities are the same.
Is {Searing Spear} the same as a {Lightning Bolt}? {Searing Spear} doesn't even have an off colour as its extra casing cost, it's got a colourless.
{searing spear} is actually good in a burn deck if you want to cram more burn in. Would you rather have 4 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage? Or 8 cheap costed cards that do 3 damage?
Yes, but {Lightning Bolt} > {Searing Spear} any day.
this is true. I'm just pointing out {searing spear} is useful. Though only in a deck that already has {lightning bolt} and is wanting to push more early burn
This is like comparing a $10 bill and a $20 bill. Sure, they're both useful, but one is MORE useful.
I think I like that explanation the best
Quote from: adventus on May 06, 2013, 06:56:03 PM
This is like comparing a $10 bill and a $20 bill. Sure, they're both useful, but one is MORE useful.
so you'd rather have a 20$ bill than a 20$ bill AND a 10$ bill?
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 06, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: adventus on May 06, 2013, 06:56:03 PM
This is like comparing a $10 bill and a $20 bill. Sure, they're both useful, but one is MORE useful.
so you'd rather have a 20$ bill than a 20$ bill AND a 10$ bill?
Irrelevant, thats not the argument
It is too relevant. Having 8 cheap burn spells that deal 3 is better than only having 4 cheap burn spells that do 3. At least in a burn deck
My 2 cents: take {Black Lotus} and {Lion's Eye Diamond}. Which is better? Or {City of Traitors} and {Lotus Vale}? How about {Mox Opal} and {Mox Diamond}? A lot of factors go into which card is better or worse, mana cost, banned list, current meta etc.
{Glimpse of Nature} is still $20 while {Beck // Call} is $3 is likely due to DGM just released on 5/3/2013. Glimpse is massively used for legacy Elves. No major tourneys have been run in legacy or modern yet so we can't see what prices will change and where.
Lions eye diamond is better than black lotus. It has more uses at the vary least