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Title: X n -mana
Post by: Iandtormentor on May 04, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
So I've had this come up a few times now and I want to clear this up ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Say I have  a {Council of the Absolute} naming  {Savageborn Hydra}, then, I cast the hydra paying 0 for x does it come in with 0 +1/+1 counters or 2. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Bookmeister on May 04, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
You can't name a creature or land card. You must name sorcery, instant, enchantment or artifact.
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Kagain123 on May 04, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on May 04, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
You can't name a creature or land card. You must name sorcery, instant, enchantment or artifact.

All true. However, take  {Sphinx's Revelation}. You would be able to cast it for 0, then gain 2 life and draw 2 cards.
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
You determine what X is before you cast  {Savageborn Hydra} and in your case you say 2, meaning it will get two counters if you paid 2. Now since  {Council of the Absolute} reduces the casting cost by 2, you can pay 0 and still get the 2 counters. Like wise if you said X=4 you would get 4 counters for the cost of 2
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Bookmeister on May 04, 2013, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
You determine what X is before you cast  {Savageborn Hydra} and in your case you say 2, meaning it will get two counters if you paid 2. Now since  {Council of the Absolute} reduces the casting cost by 2, you can pay 0 and still get the 2 counters. Like wise if you said X=4 you would get 4 counters for the cost of 2

No. You can't name the hydra, it's a creature.
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on May 04, 2013, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
You determine what X is before you cast  {Savageborn Hydra} and in your case you say 2, meaning it will get two counters if you paid 2. Now since  {Council of the Absolute} reduces the casting cost by 2, you can pay 0 and still get the 2 counters. Like wise if you said X=4 you would get 4 counters for the cost of 2

No. You can't name the hydra, it's a creature.

Hahah you're right I forgot that part.
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Iandtormentor on May 05, 2013, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: Bookmeister on May 04, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
You can't name a creature or land card. You must name sorcery, instant, enchantment or artifact.
ok :P
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Iandtormentor on May 05, 2013, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
You determine what X is before you cast  {Savageborn Hydra} and in your case you say 2, meaning it will get two counters if you paid 2. Now since  {Council of the Absolute} reduces the casting cost by 2, you can pay 0 and still get the 2 counters. Like wise if you said X=4 you would get 4 counters for the cost of 2
thanks :) 👍👍👍
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Bookmeister on May 05, 2013, 01:21:45 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 05, 2013, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on May 04, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
You determine what X is before you cast  {Savageborn Hydra} and in your case you say 2, meaning it will get two counters if you paid 2. Now since  {Council of the Absolute} reduces the casting cost by 2, you can pay 0 and still get the 2 counters. Like wise if you said X=4 you would get 4 counters for the cost of 2
thanks :) 👍👍👍

He is wrong and realized it. You still can't name the hydra, it's still a creature.
Title: Re: X n -mana
Post by: Gorzo on May 05, 2013, 02:44:06 AM
Yes, it's true creatures can't be named, but his description of how reduced costs like Counsil's effect work on X cards is apt. Just replace the hydra in his example with {Fireball}. Or, to keep the examples in standard, {Sphinx's Revelation}.