Hey what cards in dragons maze will be worth some money in the future?
Ask BMan0121. He knows all about this stuff.
Quote from: Everforward on April 30, 2013, 06:09:22 PM
Hey what cards in dragons maze will be worth some money in the future?
Any cards win a game
The outlook looks grim. I don't believe they printed many "must haves" as far as I can tell. The maze runners are fairly limited, the mythics I don't see many 4-of's. I could see maybe {Beck // Call} and {Obzedat's Aid} fetching some money down the line. But they're rare, which effects their peak value.
You should wait for all the cards to drop in DGM (which all the expensive ones will) and then pick up cards to sit on till rotation.
Quote from: Dudecore on April 30, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
The outlook looks grim. I don't believe they printed many "must haves" as far as I can tell. The maze runners are fairly limited, the mythics I don't see many 4-of's. I could see maybe {Beck // Call} and {Obzedat's Aid} fetching some money down the line. But they're rare, which effects their peak value.
I'm not so sure I see a 5 mana reanimate spell being worth much in the long run, IMO.
Quote from: Xaol on May 01, 2013, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on April 30, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
The outlook looks grim. I don't believe they printed many "must haves" as far as I can tell. The maze runners are fairly limited, the mythics I don't see many 4-of's. I could see maybe {Beck // Call} and {Obzedat's Aid} fetching some money down the line. But they're rare, which effects their peak value.
I'm not so sure I see a 5 mana reanimate spell being worth much in the long run, IMO.
Quote from: Xaol on May 01, 2013, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on April 30, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
The outlook looks grim. I don't believe they printed many "must haves" as far as I can tell. The maze runners are fairly limited, the mythics I don't see many 4-of's. I could see maybe {Beck // Call} and {Obzedat's Aid} fetching some money down the line. But they're rare, which effects their peak value.
I'm not so sure I see a 5 mana reanimate spell being worth much in the long run, IMO.
I 100% support thus statement also with rotation we dont have all that great of ways to put cards into your graveyard and be able save this at the same time
I could see a {Obzedat's Aid} deck coming out from somewhere. The reanimate Permanent thing is great, hits planeswalkers and stuff, and only costs as much as {Obzedat, Ghost Council} does.
I'm not brewing anything currently, but I could see a deck that reanimates {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} or something similar. Helps junk rites self-mill easier too.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:20:36 AM
I could see a {Obzedat's Aid} deck coming out from somewhere. The reanimate Permanent thing is great, hits planeswalkers and stuff, and only costs as much as {Obzedat, Ghost Council} does.
I'm not brewing anything currently, but I could see a deck that reanimates {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} or something similar. Helps junk rites self-mill easier too.
What happens when you self mill {Obzedat's Aid}? Also you probably will have to play 4 of in a deck to keep from always being milled plus having to add {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} is taking up too much space in your deck for junk reanimator
Quote from: Bman0121 on May 01, 2013, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:20:36 AM
I could see a {Obzedat's Aid} deck coming out from somewhere. The reanimate Permanent thing is great, hits planeswalkers and stuff, and only costs as much as {Obzedat, Ghost Council} does.
I'm not brewing anything currently, but I could see a deck that reanimates {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} or something similar. Helps junk rites self-mill easier too.
What happens when you self mill {Obzedat's Aid}? Also you probably will have to play 4 of in a deck to keep from always being milled plus having to add {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} is taking up too much space in your deck for junk reanimator
I don't know if that is the case yet. You could {Increasing Ambition} for one of them. Who knows? I'm just suggesting it could be a new deck spins off that card. I'd be interested to see it.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:29:06 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on May 01, 2013, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:20:36 AM
I could see a {Obzedat's Aid} deck coming out from somewhere. The reanimate Permanent thing is great, hits planeswalkers and stuff, and only costs as much as {Obzedat, Ghost Council} does.
I'm not brewing anything currently, but I could see a deck that reanimates {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} or something similar. Helps junk rites self-mill easier too.
What happens when you self mill {Obzedat's Aid}? Also you probably will have to play 4 of in a deck to keep from always being milled plus having to add {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} is taking up too much space in your deck for junk reanimator
I don't know if that is the case yet. You could {Increasing Ambition} for one of them. Who knows? I'm just suggesting it could be a new deck spins off that card. I'd be interested to see it.
If {Obzedat's Aid} were to be played it would be {Obzedat's Aid}.deck and be like a combo deck that without the {Obzedat's Aid} loses. It wont go into junk reanimator for sure. But i defiently see it being a combo deck that can turn 3 a {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} or get {Slaughter Games}ed or {Rest in Peace}ed to death
Like i would play
T1: {Avacyn's Pilgrim}
T2: {Farseek} and {Faithless Looting}
discarding {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
T3: {Obzedat's Aid} {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
We will just wait and see then. Travis Woo wrote a pretty decent article about {Obzedat's Aid}. I'm not ready to trash that card yet. The archtype may take awhile to develop, but I can definitely envision it - and we've got nearly a year left to live with it.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-dragons-maze-combos/
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:44:48 AM
We will just wait and see then. Travis Woo wrote a pretty decent article about {Obzedat's Aid}. I'm not ready to trash that card yet. The archtype may take awhile to develop, but I can definitely envision it - and we've got nearly a year left to live with it.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-dragons-maze-combos/
You know who travis woo is right? Dudecore he plays 5 color fog door as a competitive deck.... {Obzedat's Aid}.deck will be a fnm deck
Quote from: Bman0121 on May 01, 2013, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:44:48 AM
We will just wait and see then. Travis Woo wrote a pretty decent article about {Obzedat's Aid}. I'm not ready to trash that card yet. The archtype may take awhile to develop, but I can definitely envision it - and we've got nearly a year left to live with it.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-dragons-maze-combos/
You know who travis woo is right? Dudecore he plays 5 color fog door as a competitive deck.... {Obzedat's Aid}.deck will be a fnm deck
You've seen him roll people with that deck right? And seen LSV use that deck to roll people too?
What is your problem with {Obzedat's Aid}? Did that card beat you up and take your lunch money?
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on May 01, 2013, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:44:48 AM
We will just wait and see then. Travis Woo wrote a pretty decent article about {Obzedat's Aid}. I'm not ready to trash that card yet. The archtype may take awhile to develop, but I can definitely envision it - and we've got nearly a year left to live with it.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-dragons-maze-combos/
You know who travis woo is right? Dudecore he plays 5 color fog door as a competitive deck.... {Obzedat's Aid}.deck will be a fnm deck
You've seen him roll people with that deck right? And seen LSV use that deck to roll people too?
What is your problem with {Obzedat's Aid}? Did that card beat you up and take your lunch money?
Nope its just a bad card that is overhyped
I can agree with the overhype. I don't think it's a bad card. Plenty of ways to hit it, and it is part of a maturing archtype.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on May 01, 2013, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 08:44:48 AM
We will just wait and see then. Travis Woo wrote a pretty decent article about {Obzedat's Aid}. I'm not ready to trash that card yet. The archtype may take awhile to develop, but I can definitely envision it - and we've got nearly a year left to live with it.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-dragons-maze-combos/
You know who travis woo is right? Dudecore he plays 5 color fog door as a competitive deck.... {Obzedat's Aid}.deck will be a fnm deck
You've seen him roll people with that deck right? And seen LSV use that deck to roll people too?
What is your problem with {Obzedat's Aid}? Did that card beat you up and take your lunch money?
😭😂 "O's Aid rules!!"
Dragonshift worked amazingly for me in the prerelease. I had defenders galore on my field and when you have 7 defenders going against a Boros/Gruul mix with no flying on the field and then you play dragonshift for the Overload cost then swing nothing is funnier than that.
Quote from: JacobRoman on May 01, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
{Dragonshift} worked amazingly for me in the prerelease. I had defenders galore on my field and when you have 7 defenders going against a Boros/Gruul mix with no flying on the field and then you play dragonshift for the Overload cost then swing nothing is funnier than that.
Haha very nice'
Quote from: JacobRoman on May 01, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
Dragonshift worked amazingly for me in the prerelease. I had defenders galore on my field and when you have 7 defenders going against a Boros/Gruul mix with no flying on the field and then you play dragonshift for the Overload cost then swing nothing is funnier than that.
Ace. That makes me want to build a dragon/defender deck.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 01, 2013, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: JacobRoman on May 01, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
Dragonshift worked amazingly for me in the prerelease. I had defenders galore on my field and when you have 7 defenders going against a Boros/Gruul mix with no flying on the field and then you play dragonshift for the Overload cost then swing nothing is funnier than that.
Ace. That makes me want to build a dragon/defender deck.
Me too! :D
{Notion Theif} I believe will go up. Due to great legacy play, and modern play. It just doesn't really have a place in standard. Although I have made a standard deck centered around him, and {Whispering Madness}.
I would not say that {Notion Thief} is unplayable in standard...;) there are so many options... {Reforge the Soul}, {Otherworld Atlas}, {Whispering Madness}...;)
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 01, 2013, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: JacobRoman on May 01, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
Dragonshift worked amazingly for me in the prerelease. I had defenders galore on my field and when you have 7 defenders going against a Boros/Gruul mix with no flying on the field and then you play dragonshift for the Overload cost then swing nothing is funnier than that.
Ace. That makes me want to build a dragon/defender deck.
And I gave up on my Dragon deck just before DGM and sold my Thundermaw Helkites on eBay... *facepalm*
How about {legion's initiative}
Quote from: whitedrake on May 01, 2013, 04:27:42 PM
I would not say that {Notion Thief} is unplayable in standard...;) there are so many options... {Reforge the Soul}, {Otherworld Atlas}, {Whispering Madness}...;)
No I'm not saying that he is unplayable, but I am saying he's not amazing competitive wise.
I can see him as an anti-control sideboard card... But probably you are right that he is not hi- competetive type card...;)
So far the only card worth any money is {Ral Zarek}. Everything else, even mythics are hovering around $2. {Beck // Call} will be played in Modern, so I'd probably hold onto it.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
So far the only card worth any money is {Ral Zarek}. Everything else, even mythics are hovering around $2. {Beck // Call} will be played in Modern, so I'd probably hold onto it.
{Voice of Resurgence} is pretty far up there.
A bit more than Ral, actually.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 01, 2013, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
So far the only card worth any money is {Ral Zarek}. Everything else, even mythics are hovering around $2. {Beck // Call} will be played in Modern, so I'd probably hold onto it.
{Voice of Resurgence} is pretty far up there.
A bit more than Ral, actually.
Oooo. Why did I think about that card? I keep forgetting its from this set. Pretty sweet.
Didn't realize Green (and Naya) needed more good cards.
Voice of resurgence an legion's initiative both seem pretty awesome.
What about {rot farm skeleton} in a reanimator type build?
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 01, 2013, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
So far the only card worth any money is {Ral Zarek}. Everything else, even mythics are hovering around $2. {Beck // Call} will be played in Modern, so I'd probably hold onto it.
{Voice of Resurgence} is pretty far up there.
A bit more than Ral, actually.
About 30$ really... That's maybe more ridiculous than {Boros Reckoner}'s price after GTC was released. He was about 25 and look at him now cca 12... Voice is not worth more than 15 dolars...
I am more optimistic about {Ral Zarek}, he could stay above 20 dolars for some time... There is so many builds he can fit in...;)
Quote from: whitedrake on May 02, 2013, 06:40:05 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 01, 2013, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 01, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
So far the only card worth any money is {Ral Zarek}. Everything else, even mythics are hovering around $2. {Beck // Call} will be played in Modern, so I'd probably hold onto it.
{Voice of Resurgence} is pretty far up there.
A bit more than Ral, actually.
About 30$ really... That's maybe more ridiculous than {Boros Reckoner}'s price after GTC was released. He was about 25 and look at him now cca 12... Voice is not worth more than 15 dolars...
I am more optimistic about {Ral Zarek}, he could stay above 20 dolars for some time... There is so many builds he can fit in...;)
{Ral Zarek} is defiently the best card financially in dragons maze it will see standard play, edh players will love this card and in vintage {Time Vault} as another combo card
I am with Kanga on this...I don't see how a card that runs into {Supreme Verdict} and has no evasion is worth almost $30. Sure you get a 1/1 token after a board wipe, worse then {Thragtusk} with a lower CMC.
Maybe I'm missing something?
Quote from: Dudecore on May 02, 2013, 08:46:28 AM
I am with Kanga on this...I don't see how a card that runs into {Supreme Verdict} and has no evasion is worth almost $30. Sure you get a 1/1 token after a board wipe, worse then {Thragtusk} with a lower CMC.
Maybe I'm missing something?
Its not terrible but its defiently over hyped this card is best agaisnt flash decks which arnt very popular these days. Its like if they {Supreme Verdict} your guys you probably are in top deck mode to draw creatures but if you hold your dudes in your hand waiting for {Voice of Resurgence} to die then you just lost all your early turns to kill the control player i think {Voice of Resurgence} will be balanced out at 8-12 dollars
Populate + tokens = good
Quote from: Dudecore on May 02, 2013, 08:46:28 AM
I am with Kanga on this...I don't see how a card that runs into {Supreme Verdict} and has no evasion is worth almost $30. Sure you get a 1/1 token after a board wipe, worse then {Thragtusk} with a lower CMC.
Maybe I'm missing something?
Well actually look at {Tarmogoyf} a completely vanilla creature is 100 dollars
And I always thought that Vanilla Creatures are creatures with nothing in its Oracle box (except of flavour text). {Tarmogoyf} has quite a lot of text there...:D
Quote from: whitedrake on May 03, 2013, 04:05:32 AM
And I always thought that Vanilla Creatures are creatures with nothing in its Oracle box (except of flavour text). {Tarmogoyf} has quite a lot of text there...:D
He is still just a vanilla creature only has power and toughness like {Wild Nacatl} is also a vanilla creature
Quote from: whitedrake on May 03, 2013, 04:05:32 AM
And I always thought that Vanilla Creatures are creatures with nothing in its Oracle box (except of flavour text). {Tarmogoyf} has quite a lot of text there...:D
👆This is my definition of a vanilla creature too. No abilities. Zip. Empty oracle box.
{grizzly bears}
'Vanilla' as most people describe it are creatures with no abilities/powers or whatever, and i assumed had a P/T greater than or equal to their CMC(hence the vanilla test)
But yea, idt tarms is a vanilla creature.. Not last i checked.
Wish revised {grizzly bears} were worth $100
Quote from: MisterJH on May 03, 2013, 05:15:55 PM
'Vanilla' as most people describe it are creatures with no abilities/powers or whatever, and i assumed had a P/T greater than or equal to their CMC(hence the vanilla test)
But yea, idt tarms is a vanilla creature.. Not last i checked.
It is not only about P/T, thing is that Tarmogoyfs "ability" allow you to grow him teoreticaly up to 8/9 if I am right...:D I would not dare to call so versatile creature by term that's used for {Grizzly Bears}...:D
Anyway back to the topic. I have played yesterday against Naya with {Voice of Resurgance} in... I found that card totaly useless in matchup against my control deck...:) I can not find deck where it would be really beneficial to play him in... Maybe in agrro playing against agrro or midrange... But for deck with {Detention Sphere}, {Terminus} etc he is no threat...;)
Huge difference between him and reckoner is that {Boros Reckoner} is 3 hybrid mana and Voice is {G}{W} it is limiting him a little...
You can play Reckoner in RDW or in White humans... You cannot put Voice to mono green or white and I am not convinced that he is worth splashing.. But time will show... Maybe I am totaly wrong...
Edit: Reckoner can be easily win condition and I cannot see that in Voice...;)
Oh yah...:D But even with Reckoner I said that people are insane and he is not worth more than 15 dolars... ;)