Can {Vorel of the Hull Clade}'s ability be used for a counter on {Gideon, Champion of Justice} or {Gideon Jura} when he is a creature?
Quote from: Rasser on April 28, 2013, 08:03:16 PM
Can {Vorel of the Hull Clade}'s ability be used for a counter on {Gideon, Champion of Justice} or {Gideon Jura} when he is a creature?
Yes
Oh man! Damn straight it can! That's really good!
No it can't. There are no counters on the creature. One's a 6/6 and the other is a */* with * being the counters on the planeswalker. No counters on the creatures.
So in short, No.
But the creature still has the loyalty counters, why would they go away? That doesn't make sense.
Quote from: The1337Magician on April 28, 2013, 08:08:07 PM
No it can't. There are no counters on the creature. One's a 6/6 and the other is a */* with * being the counters on the planeswalker. No counters on the creatures.
So in short, No.
It doesn't turn into a creature. It becomes a creature "that's still a planeswalker", and planeswalkers have loyalty counters. The counters are not removed when he animates himself. It's a pretty cool trick!
Edit: To put it a bit more in perspective, its the same deal with +1/+1 counters on a keyrune. When it stops being a creature, it doesn't lose the counters. Counters remain on a permanent until that permanent changes zones, or an effect specifically takes them off/modifies them.
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Quote from: Wizardmook on April 29, 2013, 06:16:56 AM
Just so I understand Vorel, if you have say {Shambleshark} with 3 +1/+1 counters and use {Vorel of the Hull Clade} ability the shark would get 3 extra +1/+1 counters?
Correct, it duplates each and every counter.