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Title: Dark depths
Post by: Missingkirby34 on April 27, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
If I have {mirror gallery} out, and a {dark depths} if I copy it with {thespians stage} it would have zero counters on it giving me marit lage right away... In which case; New deck list

4x {mirror gallery}
4x {dark depths}
4x {thespians stage}
8x {swamps}
8x {plains}
6x {forest}
4x {vampire hexmage}
4x {sun Titan}
4x {trostani selesneyas voice}
4x {ready//willing}
4x {primeval Titan}
2x {Increasing ambition}
2x {diabolical revelation}
2x {glissa the traitor}
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Keyeto on April 27, 2013, 07:16:54 PM
You are correct! The counters would not be copied. That's evil...
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Missingkirby34 on April 27, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
New deck list

4x {mirror gallery}
4x {dark depths}
4x {thespians stage}
8x {swamps}
8x {plains}
6x {forest}
4x {vampire hexmage}
4x {sun Titan}
4x {trostani selesneyas voice}
4x {ready//willing}
4x {primeval Titan}
2x {Increasing ambition}
2x {diabolical revelation}
2x {glissa the traitor}
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Rass on April 28, 2013, 02:22:43 AM
Maybe add a few  {Vesuva}'s and some bounce lands if you have to play it early
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on April 28, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
Omg Kirby, that is beautiful my friend. Thank you for showing me this!
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Missingkirby34 on April 28, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on April 28, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
Omg Kirby, that is beautiful my friend. Thank you for showing me this!

As much as I'd like to take credit, it was my 10 year old brother, and when he told me I just about pooped all over, I was shocked
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: MuggyWuggy on April 29, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Throw a  few {Scapeshift} in your deck

Speeds up process :)
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Antirayman on April 29, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
Vesuva does nothing cause it enters with counters when you copy dark dephts.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Antirayman on April 29, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Would the combo work too if no  {Mirror Gallery} is in play.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on April 29, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Antirayman on April 29, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Would the combo work too if no  {Mirror Gallery} is in play.
I don't believe so, I think the legend rule would act first, before you have a chance to sac it.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Keyeto on April 29, 2013, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on April 29, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Antirayman on April 29, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Would the combo work too if no  {Mirror Gallery} is in play.
I don't believe so, I think the legend rule would act first, before you have a chance to sac it.
Yep! The "legend rule" is considered a state based action, and as such does not use the stack. You would not have time to respond to it.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: MisterJH on April 29, 2013, 09:04:13 PM
If you have a a marit lage, chances are you dont need anothee marit lage. If you do well.. Youre doing magic wrong
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Mentonin on April 30, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
But {dark depths}' last ability is a state based trigger as well. According to the layer based resolve, which would trigger first (we need blackjester...). I think legend rule is applied before state based triggers, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Keyeto on April 30, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
Quote from: Mentonin on April 30, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
But {dark depths}' last ability is a state based trigger as well. According to the layer based resolve, which would trigger first (we need blackjester...). I think legend rule is applied before state based triggers, but I could be wrong.
I got this ;)

Dark Depths isn't quite a state based action:

7/15/2006: Dark Depths's last ability is a state trigger. It will not trigger again while the ability is on the stack, but if the ability is countered and Dark Depths is still on the battlefield with no ice counters on it, it will trigger again immediately.

It's trigger goes off, and wants you to sac it. State based actions will go off and send it to the grave before the trigger is able to resolve, and the triggers will do nothing, as their condition is unable to be met (the condition being sacrificing).
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Deathstorm on May 02, 2013, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: Antirayman on April 29, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
Vesuva does nothing cause it enters with counters when you copy dark dephts.
You can't copy counters on a perment vesuva would enter with no counters then get sacrificed for the token
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Mentonin on May 02, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
Vesuva would ENTER the battlefield as a copy. Which means it would have the "enters the battlefield with 10 counters" effect.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on May 03, 2013, 12:42:59 PM

Just FYI, I would throw in some populate cards like {druid's deliverance} to make copy's of that token
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The token is a legendary token, like the Kaldra token, so without the mirror, it wouldn't work.
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Younghawk on May 04, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
Wouldn't {Thespian's Stage} still retain its name after the copy thus ignoring the legendary ruling?
Title: Re: Dark depths
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on May 04, 2013, 05:52:26 PM
No as it does not retain its name. It's says it becomes a copy and gains this ability. The legend rule axes any attempt to have two of any legend In play simultaneously.