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Title: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: MisterJH on April 24, 2013, 08:01:41 PM
Post some ideas that you thought were revolutionary.. Before realizing how absolutely awful they were. For example: my eyes lit up as i began to design... A sorcery speed counter spell!
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 24, 2013, 10:30:25 PM
a card that costs 10 colorless energy that ends the game as a tie for all players, as an instant XD
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: MisterJH on April 24, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
Likeminded genius!
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 24, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
like you are in a four person multiplayer game and everyone else has 10+ hp and you only have like 2 but you have a ton of mana... BOOM 4-way tie! call it involuntary peace treaty or something XD
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: MisterJH on April 24, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
Haha itd be the most popular deck ever

0% losses
0% wins
100% ties

Its a {door to nothingness} deck but 10x easier to pull of lol. I can just imagine modern 'Urzatron Tie-machine' dominating everything
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Dudecore on April 24, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Someone asked Mark Rosewater about a sorcery speed counterspell, to which he appropriately replied "you could never cast it." It's pretty funny when you think about it.

I once had an idea for a faux Ramp deck that didn't ramp into anything - just made the opponent conserve resources waiting to answer what would never come. It tested it out, turns out things don't work like that.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: MisterJH on April 24, 2013, 11:24:41 PM
Haha like tron affinity? Its revolutionary
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 24, 2013, 11:55:29 PM
You know, they could make a sorcery speed counter spell meant for modern, make it 1-2 CMC and give it some outrageous upside and then see how many people connect it with  {Alchemist's Refuge}.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Dudecore on April 24, 2013, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Crapshooter on April 24, 2013, 11:55:29 PM
You know, they could make a sorcery speed counter spell meant for modern, make it 1-2 CMC and give it some outrageous upside and then see how many people connect it with  {Alchemist's Refuge}.

Wouldn't it just be a 4 mana counterspell then? {G}{U} to activate it, {T} on the Refuge and {1} for the spell? If it had a {Rewind} effect, that could work.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 12:00:56 AM
Or even make it cost 0 and say "counter target spell, draw cards equal to its converted mana cost"
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:03:48 AM
I still like my idea of a card that just ends the game XD
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 12:05:57 AM
 {Karn Liberated} closest thing yet
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:11:04 AM
I'll admit, {Karn} looks alot cooler when he is liberated
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:12:17 AM
lol I guess normal Karn isn't a card, but in the digital magic world, he is a planeswalker
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 12:12:53 AM
I think if your card was made it would have to be Karn's picnic, I just want to see a happy karn
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Mikefrompluto on April 25, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on April 25, 2013, 12:12:17 AM
lol I guess normal Karn isn't a card, but in the digital magic world, he is a planeswalker

The original is {karn, silver golem} :)
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:16:12 AM
yes, but there is no card that is just Karn, with no metal suit, or actually without a head or chest piece, but you can play against him in Magic the Gathering 2012, his deck is called Strength of Stone if I remember correctly
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Silent1236 on April 25, 2013, 12:17:08 AM
That's not a guy in armor, that is Karn haha
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
I know but they have the same name urgh so confusing... so there is silver golem karn and the planeswalker Karn are 2 different guys? X( so confused now...
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 12:26:55 AM
Same person,  {Karn, Silver Golem} was a creation of Urza' and  {Karn Liberated} was after he stole a spark, created his own plane, got trapped in it's core by the black oil and was released thanks to  {Venser, the Sojourner}
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Kaleo42 on April 25, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
You could make a sorcery speed counter! Challenge freaking ACCEPTED

Patient Authority {1}{W}{U}
Sorcery
Exile patient authority and place a time counter on it.
Whenever a player casts a spell, remove a time counter from Patient Authority. When you remove the last time counter from Patient Authority counter target spell.

This could work with that whole suspend mechanic. It's basically a cross between {stasis}, {counterflux}, {seal of fire}, and suspend.

An alternate approach with a similar concept is:

Mana Corruption {B}{U}{U}
Sorcery
Exile Mana Corruption with a Corruption counter on it.
During your upkeep if Mana Corruption is in exile with a corruption counter you lose 2 life.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if Mana Corruption is in exile with a corruption counter, remove a corruption counter and counter that spell.

So these can not be proliferated since they are in exile, they also cant be countered by other counterspells. However your opponent decides what gets countered.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 01:16:29 AM
so it is the same guy, but I'm talking about Karn liberated, who is a silver golem, correct? but in Magic the Gathering 2012 he has flesh? what gives?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 08:10:57 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on April 25, 2013, 01:16:29 AM
so it is the same guy, but I'm talking about Karn liberated, who is a silver golem, correct? but in Magic the Gathering 2012 he has flesh? what gives?
I dont think you're thinking about Karn.
;D

Edit:  {Koth of the Hammer}?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
*FacePalm*
yes that's him...
now you know why I'm in the un-genious section ._.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
This is the worst card I ever came up with

{G}{G}{1}

Cycle the refuse

Switch your graveyard and library. Then, shuffle your library
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
This is the worst card I ever came up with

{G}{G}{1}

Cycle the refuse

Switch your graveyard and library. Then, shuffle your library
Pretty baller if you ask me! I'd put it in my {Splinter fright} deck!
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Qpwner on April 25, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
This is the worst card I ever came up with

{G}{G}{1}

Cycle the refuse

Switch your graveyard and library. Then, shuffle your library
Pretty baller if you ask me! I'd put it in my {Splinter fright} deck!
{mimeoplasm}. That would be great! Just make sure you have a library after, or no one has a {Bojuka Bog} in hand.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 11:35:26 AM
Oh...maybe it should cost {G}{G}{B}{B} than?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:37:50 AM
Nah.
Its more green.
But probably rare though!
And definitly sorcery
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:37:50 AM
Nah.
Its more green.
But probably rare though!
And definitly sorcery
well then this? {G}{G}{G}{1}
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Qpwner on April 25, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on April 25, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
You could make a sorcery speed counter! Challenge freaking ACCEPTED

Patient Authority {1}{W}{U}
Sorcery
Exile patient authority and place a time counter on it.
Whenever a player casts a spell, remove a time counter from Patient Authority. When you remove the last time counter from Patient Authority counter target spell.

This could work with that whole suspend mechanic. It's basically a cross between {stasis}, {counterflux}, {seal of fire}, and suspend.

An alternate approach with a similar concept is:

Mana Corruption {B}{U}{U}
Sorcery
Exile Mana Corruption with a Corruption counter on it.
During your upkeep if Mana Corruption is in exile with a corruption counter you lose 2 life.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if Mana Corruption is in exile with a corruption counter, remove a corruption counter and counter that spell.

So these can not be proliferated since they are in exile, they also cant be countered by other counterspells. However your opponent decides what gets countered.
This kinda works:
Vow of Scilence {3}{U}{U}
Sorcery
Counter all spells of the chosen color and blue untill the end of your next turn. Whenever a spell is countered this way, its controller may draw a card.

So you can use it too shut down your oponents untill their next turn, and/or you can use it to get dead cards out of your hand if you have mana.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Keyeto on April 25, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
If we want a sorcery speed counter spell, why not just run it in a deck with {Vedalken Orrery}?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:37:50 AM
Nah.
Its more green.
But probably rare though!
And definitly sorcery
well then this? {G}{G}{G}{1}
An unplayed rare ;D
3cmc makes it a bomb utility card.
4 makes it rather unconventional.
Or possibly {3}{G}?
More splashable makes it more attractive.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Fenster on April 25, 2013, 11:37:50 AM
Nah.
Its more green.
But probably rare though!
And definitly sorcery
well then this? {G}{G}{G}{1}
An unplayed rare ;D
3cmc makes it a bomb utility card.
4 makes it rather unconventional.
Or possibly {3}{G}?
More splashable makes it more attractive.
what about 3 CMC with a minor drawback?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
Or maybe {G}{G}{2} with a drawback?

Because it might be broken I've realized
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:17:47 PM
how about a deck with that card and four {treasured find}s? then you can dig through your graveyard for anything that you might have needed ;)
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
doesn't go with the big graveyard = big power strategy as well, but If you needed a card for a combo or something, and it was in your library, you can fish out the exact card you need ;)
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on April 25, 2013, 12:17:47 PM
how about a deck with that card and four {treasured find}s? then you can dig through your graveyard for anything that you might have needed ;)
and my suspicion is confirmed. So ill put it at {G}{G}{B}{B}{1}
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:22:12 PM
prolly should be 2 green and2  black I think, just my opinion
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
also, would you exile this card after you use it? or will you place it in your graveyard? btw if it was green and blue, at the beginning of the game, you could rape if you used  {Laboratory Maniac}
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Bman0121 on April 25, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
5 mana  {Rampant Growth} with a miracle of 1 mana
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 25, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
5 mana  {Rampant Growth} with a miracle of 1 mana
if it ramped 2 lands instead of one that would be kick @$$. Or make it a 3 cost card and it would be worth it
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.

Why?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 04:42:44 PM
Ok here's one 3{B}{B}{R}{R} exile all non land permanents and all graveyards. Then search each players library and hand for any card that shares a name with an exiled card, exile those cards. Then each player shuffles their library and reveals cards until they reveal a non land card and cast it.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Birdbrain on April 25, 2013, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 04:42:44 PM
Ok here's one 3{B}{B}{R}{R} exile all non land permanents and all graveyards. Then search each players library and hand for any card that shares a name with an exiled card, exile those cards. Then each player shuffles their library and reveals cards until they reveal a non land card and cast it.
this one doesnt seem un-genius. It's actually a turn around card. And if I ran those colors I'd actualy use it
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.

Why?

This was my attempt at the draw game idea. If you have three oblivion rings on the battlefield with no other legal targets they will infinitely target each other with no way to stop it. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXG5rNe_tI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXG5rNe_tI)
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: MisterJH on April 25, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Cuz hes genius, thats why
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.

Why?

This was my attempt at the draw game idea. If you have three oblivion rings on the battlefield with no other legal targets they will infinitely target each other with no way to stop it. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXG5rNe_tI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXG5rNe_tI)

Forgot they would target each other my bad
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Ragingtiger on April 25, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.
{Oblivion Ring} leap frog for infinites!
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Apathy Reactor on April 25, 2013, 06:11:54 PM
dude... you broke magic...
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 25, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
How about this?

Trolololololol {3}{U}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland permanents, then search you library for three cards named {Oblivion Ring} and put them onto the battlefield.

Make it like the eldrazi card and have the o-rings come from anywhere outside of the game.
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Wackaman9001 on April 25, 2013, 06:41:48 PM
Like {Spawnsire of Ulamog}?
Title: Re: Un-genius card ideas
Post by: Crapshooter on April 25, 2013, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on April 25, 2013, 06:41:48 PM
Like {Spawnsire of Ulamog}?

Exactly!