I played against Eggs for the first time in a modern tourney on Sunday. Man, it was practically torture waiting 20 minutes to lose game one. It was easy enough to stop though. Side boarded {Rest in Peace} and was lucky enough to play it turn two in our second game and my opponent scooped. I comboed out on turn four game three. (I played 4 color birthing pod). I went 3-1 placed third. My fiancé was playing red affinity and went 4-0 placing first. Overall, I was not impressed with Eggs. Should something in the combo be banned in your opinion? It's just so miserably slow.
YES! I'd say ban {Lotus Bloom}.
Man, eggs has become a hot topic recently. If this is where modern is going now that {Bloodbraid Elf} is gone and Storm is hurting, then unban the elf and the storm piece!!
Yeah, I forgot which card was banned for storm :P
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 10, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
YES! I'd say ban {Lotus Bloom}.
Man, eggs has become a hot topic recently. If this is where modern is going now that {Bloodbraid Elf} is gone and Storm is hurting, then unban the elf and the storm piece!!
Yeah, I forgot which card was banned for storm :P
{Seething Song} banned for storm.
I agree that something needs to be banned. Consistently turn 3 wins is crazy overpowered. I got lucky he had a slow hand game three. I love modern and in my opinion Jund with {Bloodbraid Elf} is preferable to eggs.
Haha thanks :P
Keep {Lotus Bloom} that way eggs can be still a deck but it would be a turn 3 or 4 deck i say ban {Reshape} so that eggs cant go off turn 2 every single game
My friend actually got me wanting to play modern. Then I saw eggs. Like 5 people playing them. I'm not playing modern until eggs is banned. Losing turn 2 every game is not what I consider fun :/
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
Would {blood raid elf} work in naya zoo?
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
Tricky part is you need to stick two pieces of hate because they run {Echoing Truth} after game 1
I didn't know eggs was supposed to go off on turn two. This guy I played didn't know the deck too well then I'm guessing.
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 10, 2013, 08:22:27 AM
Would {blood raid elf} work in naya zoo?
Yes absolutely. But it's banned :(
People's ignorance never cease to amaze me. I for one pilot Eggs every month in our Modern tournaments. The deck is not designed to go off turn two like people claim it is. They are just ill informed and are following the hate for a deck they have never played. I enjoy the deck because of it's complexity, but that is for another time. Eggs has gotten quite dominate over the past season. I suspect a ban for one on the Sunrise effects, or it WotC wants to kill the deck completely, then Lotus Bloom.
Also, nobody bring up the turn two argument again. I will admit that Cifka's cantrip list he won the Pro Tour with (also the version I play) can win on turn two. But it has nothing to do with skill. The deck rarely does that and it only tends to happen one in every one hundred games or so. For it to happen, then planets have to align and you need to spot a unicorn jumping over a rainbow on the third Wednesday of snowy July morning.
Quote from: Death Gaara on April 10, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
People's ignorance never cease to amaze me. I for one pilot Eggs every month in our Modern tournaments. The deck is not designed to go off turn two like people claim it is. They are just ill informed and are following the hate for a deck they have never played. I enjoy the deck because of it's complexity, but that is for another time. Eggs has gotten quite dominate over the past season. I suspect a ban for one on the Sunrise effects, or it WotC wants to kill the deck completely, then Lotus Bloom.
Also, nobody bring up the turn two argument again. I will admit that Cifka's cantrip list he won the Pro Tour with (also the version I play) can win on turn two. But it has nothing to do with skill. The deck rarely does that and it only tends to happen one in every one hundred games or so. For it to happen, then planets have to align and you need to spot a unicorn jumping over a rainbow on the third Wednesday of snowy July morning.
i lol'ed
Quote from: Death Gaara on April 10, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
They are just ill informed and are following the hate for a deck they have never played. I enjoy the deck because of it's complexity, but that is for another time.
Gotta remember, you aren't the only one playing the game, though. Yes, complex decks that make you really think about what you need to play are fun for the person playing them, but playing against a deck that takes this long is
no fun for the person against it. That doesn't go for just eggs. It's the same for grinding decks like turbo fog, as well. I have a blast playing turbo fog, but there's been times where my opponent sits there forever waiting for their deck to mill out.
There was a lot of money on the line for Cifka, but is eggs really a necessary deck to play kitchen table or even at an fnm or anything that's not super competitive and high stakes? Everyone loves to win, but everyone loves to actually enjoy the game they're playing. Just my 2 cents.
And as for the turn two deal, I'll definitely agree there. Lot of pieces necessary to consistently win T2
What happens IMO. Is someone comes up with a good deck and wins. Since we are in a time where data travels fast everyone hears about it or sees it. So now it hits the net and everyone wants to put there little spin on it or just steal the whole deck list. Now there are a few people who keep there home brew and keep getting beat by the flavor of the month, that 7 out of 8 people are using. That's why there is so much hate
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 10, 2013, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on April 10, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
They are just ill informed and are following the hate for a deck they have never played. I enjoy the deck because of it's complexity, but that is for another time.
Gotta remember, you aren't the only one playing the game, though. Yes, complex decks that make you really think about what you need to play are fun for the person playing them, but playing against a deck that takes this long is no fun for the person against it. That doesn't go for just eggs. It's the same for grinding decks like turbo fog, as well. I have a blast playing turbo fog, but there's been times where my opponent sits there forever waiting for their deck to mill out.
There was a lot of money on the line for Cifka, but is eggs really a necessary deck to play kitchen table or even at an fnm or anything that's not super competitive and high stakes? Everyone loves to win, but everyone loves to actually enjoy the game they're playing. Just my 2 cents.
And as for the turn two deal, I'll definitely agree there. Lot of pieces necessary to consistently win T2
I never said I was the only one playing the game. I merely stated that those people who are shouting "Eggs wins turn 2 all the time, the deck sooo broken and stupid" did not know what they were talking about. For me it is very simple. I like to challenge myself with complex and intricate plays/decks (hence why I always play control or combo). That is what is fun about magic to me. I like the complexity that goes into these designs. It is the only reason I play the game and why I sink so much money into it. It should not matter if it is an FNM or a Pro Tour. I should be able to enjoy what I like about the game. On the opposition's side, they have the right to enjoy their reasons too. But what you are suggesting is that I not play Eggs at an FNM because others do not like it? I do not like aggro, so people should not play it at FNM right? It works both ways, so you cannot hold people like myself to a double standard. We enjoy a different aspect of the game then those who do not. If it is unfun for them, then that it not mine or anyone else's problem. We have every right to enjoy the decks we build at FNM too, so there really is no argument here. Adaptability is a true trait of magic play whether it be competitive or casual. Over the past few years, adaptability in the playerbase has gone down. When I began to play this game, you found a way around the things you did not like or you lost. It was that simple. In these days of magic, people just whine and cry to mama WotC to ban something or make the bad stuff go away. It is almost childish, but I digress. I am not blaming WotC either. They are a company and their first priority is making money. People should look around for answers instead of expecting others to do the work for them. That is just my opinion though.
TL;DR
If you have the right to turn your cards sideways to win the way you enjoy, then I have the same right to draw cards, counter spells, and take 20 minute turns to win in the way I enjoy.
I'm not trying to say "Ban it because I don't like it" or "Don't play it because I don't like it." People like to play eggs. To each his own, I suppose. And it's been many moons since I've played aggro. "Play, turn sideways" hasnt been fun in years. I love having to think about what I'm going to do when I play. The problem with eggs, however, is that when you start your combo-ing, your opponent can't just scoop since there is a very real possibility for itto just fizzle an you lose the next turn. But, when you do start combo-ing, your turns are going to take a 3-5 turn game to time. Sure {Rest In Peace}/{Leyline of Sanctity}, hell, even {Mana Leak}, can throw the combo off and lose you the game, but, like you said, you'll have answers for it, and G2 could easily be just as long as G1.
I agree, the banhammer comes down on things it didn't really need to too often. Its really pretty dumb that {Bloodbraid Elf} got banned. But, Im not whining about having to dog for answers to eggs, I'm saying eggs makes games legitimately unfair and unfun for everyone playing against it. You may not like aggro decks, but they are much easier to answer. Very straightforward. Eggs has to be stopped in thefirst turn or two, or it's just a thrown game. You can put a stop to aggro midgame.
I'm not saying "don't play eggs.." You have every right to! I'm just saying keep in mind that others want to play as well. Even if it is just "Land, go." Control decks like to keep them from playing spells, eggs just keeps them from playing ;)
I'm sure there are some aggro strategies where you have to think about what your doing. In fact, now that you said that, I'm going to try an come up with one
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 10, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
I'm sure there are some aggro strategies where you have to think about what your doing. In fact, now that you said that, I'm going to try an come up with one
There is some strategy involved in aggro. Just not as much as other decks.
Its just a pain in the nuts
Eggs didn't even place at this particular tournament. It's not broken. I'm not being ignorant. I'm just bitching because its not fun to play against. I believe I have the right to complain about decks I find obnoxious.
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
What would you pithing needle? I may play against it on FNM.
Quote from: Richardalcala on April 10, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
What would you pithing needle? I may play against it on FNM.
I'd probably go with {Lotus Bloom}
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 10, 2013, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Richardalcala on April 10, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
What would you pithing needle? I may play against it on FNM.
I'd probably go with {Lotus Bloom}
Wouldn't that be a mana ability?
Quote from: Richardalcala on April 10, 2013, 10:03:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 10, 2013, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Richardalcala on April 10, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
There are cards that just completely destroy eggs though like {Rest in Peace}, {Leyline of the Void}, {Leyline of Sanctity}, {Pithing Needle}, and {Phyrexian Revoker} are cards eggs just cant beat
What would you pithing needle? I may play against it on FNM.
I'd probably go with {Lotus Bloom}
Wouldn't that be a mana ability?
-_- yep haha. Nevermind that!
That brings up a good point, though. There really isn't much you can {Pithing Needle} unless they happen to be using {Pyrite Spellbomb} or something.
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 10, 2013, 02:00:40 PM
I'm not trying to say "Ban it because I don't like it" or "Don't play it because I don't like it." People like to play eggs. To each his own, I suppose. And it's been many moons since I've played aggro. "Play, turn sideways" hasnt been fun in years. I love having to think about what I'm going to do when I play. The problem with eggs, however, is that when you start your combo-ing, your opponent can't just scoop since there is a very real possibility for itto just fizzle an you lose the next turn. But, when you do start combo-ing, your turns are going to take a 3-5 turn game to time. Sure {Rest In Peace}/{Leyline of Sanctity}, hell, even {Mana Leak}, can throw the combo off and lose you the game, but, like you said, you'll have answers for it, and G2 could easily be just as long as G1.
I agree, the banhammer comes down on things it didn't really need to too often. Its really pretty dumb that {Bloodbraid Elf} got banned. But, Im not whining about having to dog for answers to eggs, I'm saying eggs makes games legitimately unfair and unfun for everyone playing against it. You may not like aggro decks, but they are much easier to answer. Very straightforward. Eggs has to be stopped in thefirst turn or two, or it's just a thrown game. You can put a stop to aggro midgame.
I'm not saying "don't play eggs.." You have every right to! I'm just saying keep in mind that others want to play as well. Even if it is just "Land, go." Control decks like to keep them from playing spells, eggs just keeps them from playing ;)
Sorry if I came off the wrong way. I was not insinuating you are that kind of player. I was just stating what I feel to be the current truth about the magic populace. It was more of a general statement than anything else ;)
Quote from: Moneekahh on April 10, 2013, 07:01:49 PM
Eggs didn't even place at this particular tournament. It's not broken. I'm not being ignorant. I'm just bitching because its not fun to play against. I believe I have the right to complain about decks I find obnoxious.
Ignorance is defined as "Lack of knowledge or information". Your statement was "I didn't know eggs was supposed to go off on turn two. This guy I played didn't know the deck too well then I'm guessing". That is ignorance. I apologize if it s not what you want to hear, but you were ill informed and made a false generalize judgment. I have nothing against you, I merely just called you out on it. Yeah, you have every right to complain about decks you hate. People do that all of the time. But on that same token I have the same right to keep playing the deck I want regardless of what you think about it. Please consider that before making such hasty statements. Hate Eggs with a burning passion if you like. I think people need something like that to motivate them in new ways. However, keep in mind that when you bring this hatred to a public forum; expect people to not agree with you all of the time. If you think it is not fun to play against, then do not put yourself in a position to play it. You can always concede at anytime or just stay away from Modern until it gets axed. I honestly feel this is the next deck on the chopping block. I personally feel it is not broken, but WotC caters to those who whine about problems without finding solutions. There has been a lot of whining about this deck. Naturally, Mama WotC will take care of the issue so the crossover players from other games will move on to another subject to whine about.
You would {Pithing Needle} {Pyrite Spellbomb}