I think Master of cruelties will be atleast $20
Quote from: izik99 on April 09, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
I think Master of cruelties will be atleast $20
I don't see it. Very hard to get him to connect: by the turn you get him out, they are very likely to have an answer.
Turn two {Heartless Summoning}, turn three master, turn four {Rogue's Passage}.. They wouldn't see him as a threat as a 0/3 but he doesn't have to have power for his effect to work...
Quote from: Vyse on April 09, 2013, 04:07:28 PM
Turn two {Heartless Summoning}, turn three master, turn four {Rogue's Passage}.. They wouldn't see him as a threat as a 0/3 but he doesn't have to have power for his effect to work...
Woah!! +1
I agree with vyse, or you could use {artful dodge}
Ahhh my bad you need 4 mana and to tap {Rogue's Passage} so earliest is turn 5 without ramp in mine, I think {Artful Dodge} would be better in this case
Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.
The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.
Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".
Quote from: Dudecore on April 09, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.
The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.
Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".
Yes but would you really waste a kill spell right off the bat on a 0/3 without a rogues passage on the field? I wouldn't see it as much of a threat. The whole dies to removal arguement irritates me, you aren't always garunteed answers. Not to say he's a great card, but I still see his use. Bleh I shouldn't get upset over magic sometimes haha.
Ramping into creatures is relevant if you get value out of them. Yes, I would "waste" a kill spell on a 0/3 if I knew he did those things - I'd prefer not to. My point isn't that, it's just that more decks run removal.
Every threat has an answer, of course, but to say that because you can cheat him out doesn't make it a better/worse card. You can cheat out any card, you can answer any card, that is how the game works.
While I agree I also want to reiterate the fact that you aren't guaranteed your removal, just like you aren't guaranteed heartless summoning and master himself. I never said he was a good card, the point I'm trying to make is every card has a use. At this point it seems like I'm arguing with myself, but to just say "he's useless, I WILL have an answer for him the second he comes out" is ridiculous. There are too many factors, there could be a bigger threat on the board for an example. I dunno, I'm just going to drop it.
Ok, while we're on the topic, what's all the hubub over this guy about? IMO he's just a fun little casual card to piss someone off with once in a great while. Is he really competitively viable? I'm going to go back and reread him to make sure I didn't miss something, but as of right now, I dont really see him being that good outside of edh :-\
Yep, still don't understand.
What are your thoughts on the possible price of Advent of the Wurm?
Quote from: Frothandslosh on April 09, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
What are your thoughts on the possible price of Advent of the Wurm?
$3-$4
Out if the gate it'll be more but 3-5 is def where I see it sitting latter on.
I'm going to be interested in the effects for GTCs prices with synergy in this set. Commons like {artful dodge} will be staples and possibly restricted ala ponder in the future with abilities like cipher available.
The azorius battlefield caller may be a huge thing in the future for decks I build
Quote from: Dudecore on April 09, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.
The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.
Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".
Is renounce the guilds real? I haven't seen it on mtgsalvation yet, nor have I seen any mono colored cards from the set spoiled, besides split cards.
Quote from: Harmon74 on April 09, 2013, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on April 09, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.
The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.
Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".
Is renounce the guilds real? I haven't seen it on mtgsalvation yet, nor have I seen any mono colored cards from the set spoiled, besides split cards.
Yes, google search dragon maze spoilers, and the link is right under mtgsalvation
How about simic champion, thoughts?
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 09, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
How about simic champion, thoughts?
Can be broken, in the right deck
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on April 09, 2013, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 09, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
How about simic champion, thoughts?
Can be broken, in the right deck
Yeah, I'm going out to buy that cards intro deck (in the poster it looks like you can see a grill and rakdos champion in two different intro pack things), then I'll get that blue zendikar land that gives you an extra turn, then I'm going out to get {helix pinnacle}, and all cards like that, for a broken EDH deck.
Screw proliferate!