{Culling the Weak} + {Warbreak Trumpeter} + enough mana to pay it off.
Lets say you pay 15 mana (of some combination) when you morph Warbreak Trumpeter, that's 15 1/1 red goblins. THEN play Culling the Weak, sacrifice all the tokens and get 60 black mana. Flip Warbreak back over, morph it again with x as 60 this time. That makes 75 1/1 goblin creature tokens.
My brother has done this twice to me. -.- someone please help.
You're brother is playing it wrong. You only get to sacrifice A creature and get {B}{B}{B}{B}{B} mana for each time {culling the weak} resolves. He can't sac them all to the one spell. THAT would be broken, apparently lol
Quote from: Avodroc13 on April 03, 2013, 12:40:16 AM
{Culling the Weak} + {Warbreak Trumpeter} + enough mana to pay it off.
Lets say you pay 15 mana (of some combination) when you morph Warbreak Trumpeter, that's 15 1/1 red goblins. THEN play Culling the Weak, sacrifice all the tokens and get 60 black mana. Flip Warbreak back over, morph it again with x as 60 this time. That makes 75 1/1 goblin creature tokens.
My brother has done this twice to me. -.- someone please help.
Many thing wrong with this. {culling the weak} is not an enchantment. You can only use it once. One sacrifice, one packet of mana total. Also you cannot reflip war break trumpeteer just cus you feel like it. Morph makes it so you can cast the creature for 3 mana as a 2/2 and then pay a cost later to flip it over. You cannot again flip it back to a 2/2 without another effect.
In addition tithe above, 15 mana would not make 15 1/1 goblins. Because of the double X, if you want 15 tokens, you'd have to pay 31 mana.
How does the "x x" resolve?
30 mana... 30 tokens. Never heard of the double thing you were talking about. Why would I need to pay 31 mana for 15? I'm confused.
each value of {X} has to equal the same value.
if you say {X} = 2 then the morph cost would be 2+2+{R} = CMC of 5
if you say {X} = 15 then the morph cost would be 15+15+{R} = CMC of 31
From the card:
Morph {X}{X}{R} (You may cast this face down as a 2/2 creature for {3}. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When Warbreak Trumpeter is turned face up, put {X} 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens onto the battlefield.
As mentioned from the example on the card. if you pay a total of {3} to cast it for its morph cost ( 1+1+R=3 ) then you will get 1 goblin token, not 3, not 2, only 1. which was the value of X when cast.
@scarsabrex, Warbreak allows me to pay 3 colorless to flip it face down. Then 1 red to turn it face up.
Quote from: Avodroc13 on April 03, 2013, 02:01:20 AM
@scarsabrex, Warbreak allows me to pay 3 colorless to flip it face down. Then 1 red to turn it face up.
Not quite. It allows you to "cast" it face down for 3. This option only exists when you cast it; once its on the battlefield, you cannot keep turning it face down.
And here's your ruling:
702.35d If you have priority, you may turn a face-down permanent you control face up. This is a special action; it doesn't use the stack (see rule 115). To do this, show all players what the permanent's morph cost would be if it were face up, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. (If the permanent wouldn't have a morph cost if it were face up, it can't be turned face up this way.)
The morph effect on it ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don't trigger when it's turned face up and don't have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.
Could I add {Roaring Primadox} to this to make it legit then?
Return Warbreak to my hand, lay it back out next turn face down, then flip it, do the mana thing, then return it to my hand next upkeep?
Quote from: Avodroc13 on April 03, 2013, 02:08:11 AM
Could I add {Roaring Primadox} to this to make it legit then?
Return Warbreak to my hand, lay it back out next turn face down, then flip it, do the mana thing, then return it to my hand next upkeep?
This would allow you to continue morphing, however, as stated above, the mana part of this combo does not work. Unfortunately, it's a one-time deal. When you cast the card, you sac a creature as an additional cost to cast it, and its effect takes place. You aren't able to continue sacrificing creatures with its effect.
Know any good cards that can eliminate this?
Quote from: Avodroc13 on April 03, 2013, 02:13:32 AM
Know any good cards that can eliminate this?
Well, it's a bit slow, but there's a way to make it work. If you keep returning the morph creature to your hand, you can keep sacrificing creatures to {Ashnod's Altar} to get 2 mana out of them. With {Parallel Lives} in play, you'll double up on tokens each time you do this. As an example:
Pay {R} and {6}: get 6 tokens (with parallel lives)
Next time you morph, sac your 6 tokens, get 12 mana. Use that 12 mana and one red to get 12 tokens (again, it would be 6 but parallel lives doubles it).
It's slow, but it could work. I'm no combo master, and I'm sure someone else could think if something better. Try asking about good combos with these cards in Combo Corner. I'm sure someone has some pretty cool suggestions.
There's also {Isochron Scepter} + {Backslide}
Maybe work in {Ixidron} in there some how
You could add more copies to the stack with {izzet guildmage}. If you can more as an instant then this combo would work. Put 2 copies of the card on the stack, let one copy resolve, morph, then let the second copy resolve...wait. You'd only be able to do it again if you had the mana to copy it with {izzet guildmage} again
Edit: {battle hym}
Edit: you would have to throw in ALOT of cards to make this work