So I peeped the {doubling chant} mentioned in another thread, it said $493 or some ridiculous amount, apparently my {crystal quarry} is worth $78 on average?
What's up with the price checker?
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.
I feel like this current example is one. It came off as an overreaction to me.
I wouldn't consider this lying, Piotr. The price guide for him/her is terribly messed up on those 2 cards.
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
+1
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 03:43:23 PM
I wouldn't consider this lying, Piotr. The price guide for him/her is terribly messed up on those 2 cards.
Actually, TCGplayer fixed that already, so the price guide is not terribly messed up on those 2 cards either. In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Actually, TCGplayer fixed that already, so the price guide is not terribly messed up on those 2 cards either.
While that may be, that would cause all of, or at least most posts in the Price Jumps and Drops thread to be lies considering almost all of those surprised posts are now changed.
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.
He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up. The title may not have said "for these 2 cards," but I am almost positive that it was supposed to be implied by the OP (correct me if I'm wrong, Muggy)
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.
He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up.
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.
He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up.
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?
I feel like this is advice you need to take as well. You are coming off as rude and bullying to your users when you make statements like this. You have a great product. Please don't mess it up by being so openly hostile with your users who love it.
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?
I understand that you, me, and anyone else looking at this can't see his implications, but that's the beauty of implications, and the problem with them. You don't have to see what he's implying to know what he means. (I hope that doesn't come across as me talking down to you. I really don't mean to :P) I see no hostility or evidence of a lie coming from Muggywuggy's post. He was simply asking what was going on with the price guide. I've been there many times where I see something and think "Wtf is going on?" and immediately post/tweet/whatever about it without fully thinking it through. While people should definitely think before they post and be more careful, sometimes it's difficult to stop and think when you see something surprising.
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
I agree with that. Piotr has been somewhat hostile lately.
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.
Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.
I feel like this current example is one. It came off as an overreaction to me.
Is it really? How do you define hostility?
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?
I understand that you, me, and anyone else looking at this can't see his implications, but that's the beauty of implications, and the problem with them. You don't have to see what he's implying to know what he means. (I hope that doesn't come across as me talking down to you. I really don't mean to :P) I see no hostility or evidence of a lie coming from Muggywuggy's post. He was simply asking what was going on with the price guide. I've been there many times where I see something and think "Wtf is going on?" and immediately post/tweet/whatever about it without fully thinking it through. While people should definitely think before they post and be more careful, sometimes it's difficult to stop and think when you see something surprising.
There's nothing wrong with people talking down to me, if they have a point.
I see no hostility either, but 'Price guide terribly messed up' leaves very little for interpretation. It is not a question. What it says is not true nor it wasn't true at the time when this topic was started. Hence, it was a lie, as far as logic goes. True or false?
False. At the time it was posted, there was a problem with the price guide on those two cards (granted, it was an error on tcgplayer's part, not yours.) While it didn't say "Price guide on two cards," it didn't say "Price guide for all cards" either. That is where there is some room for interpretation on it.
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
False. At the time it was posted, there was a problem with the price guide on those two cards (granted, it was an error on tcgplayer's part, not yours.) While it didn't say "Price guide on two cards," it didn't say "Price guide for all cards" either. That is where there is some room for interpretation on it.
Seems legit, thanks!
Quote from: Muggywuggy on April 02, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
So I peeped the {doubling chant} mentioned in another thread, it said $493 or some ridiculous amount, apparently my {crystal quarry} is worth $78 on average?
What's up with the price checker?
{TCGplayer, the Provider of Prices} is using average from the prices provided to them by the shops. Sometimes a shop will make a typo while entering prices and the average gets screwed in the process. Makes sense?
They are working on it: http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=15690.msg144209#msg144209
Quote from: Muggywuggy on April 02, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
So I peeped the {doubling chant} mentioned in another thread, it said $493 or some ridiculous amount, apparently my {crystal quarry} is worth $78 on average?
What's up with the price checker?
Wow quite an over reaction by you Piotr, I'm sorry you take every offense personally when it comes to the app. When a $15 card states $458 - I would consider that an error, a huge error. Now maybe how I chose my words was a little too abrasive, but none the less there was a problem.
Now was it TCGs fault? Yes, apparently it was. I asked mainly as I updated my database and my price check went to the absurd numbers. It wasn't just those two cards either, most cards had their prices inflated to numbers in the $300+ range, I didn't feel like listing every card.
I had wondered if anyone had a similar issue, you know, use a forum to discuss a strange issue with an application a community uses to troubleshoot the issue.
Wow, I agree with the overall thread of response here, and I see Piotr's reaction as unnecessarily harsh. I'm going to comment on this because I too have seen a familiar pattern, and it's not one that is good to see.
Piotr as you seem to appreciate logical reasoning, this is why:
Lying to me is statement of incorrect fact with an intention to either deceive or hide truth, for reasons known to the liar. As you say Piotr, we can't tell intention, and can only read words as written, but as an optimistic human being I believe that if there is doubt about intent, or the statement is ambiguous as this one was, first response should be to seek clarification of intent, not cast accusations of deceptive intent.
The original post and subsequent clarifications read to me that the poster was unaware of how the pricing works, and was incorrectly placing the blame on iMTG. Unfortunate yes. But deliberate intent to deceive by statement of false facts? Why would he, when the truth would so easily and openly prove him wrong? It would not make any sense for him to lie in the fashion that was suggested. Far more likely in context of his comment was that he did not understand.
The first response being an accusation of lying is not conducive to a welcoming and friendly community, that you lead Piotr by your example. The tone you set will be followed by the many young impressionable members here. Members with issues will think twice before posting, out of fear of unpleasant responses. Sure, some will think harder about being clearer in wording, but some won't bother to post at all.
I have been on too many forums over many years that have become horrible places due to unwelcoming and officious mods who quote rules and laws over putting themselves in the shoes of less knowledgeable members, or forgetting that they were new once too.
I'm not saying don't call people out who transgress, but it would be nice to see the first step be to ask questions then shoot if warranted, not the other way around as exhibited in this thread.
The forum is mutual benefit - we get a great community of people who share interest and the app. You get a community of people who can help you develop, test and improve iMTG. Win win. Let's keep it that way.
Just my 2c...
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Wow, I agree with the overall thread of response here, and I see Piotr's reaction as unnecessarily harsh. I'm going to comment on this because I too have seen a familiar pattern, and it's not one that is good to see.
Piotr as you seem to appreciate logical reasoning, this is why:
Lying to me is statement of incorrect fact with an intention to either deceive or hide truth, for reasons known to the liar. As you say Piotr, we can't tell intention, and can only read words as written, but as an optimistic human being I believe that if there is doubt about intent, or the statement is ambiguous as this one was, first response should be to seek clarification of intent, not cast accusations of deceptive intent.
The original post and subsequent clarifications read to me that the poster was unaware of how the pricing works, and was incorrectly placing the blame on iMTG. Unfortunate yes. But deliberate intent to deceive by statement of false facts? Why would he, when the truth would so easily and openly prove him wrong? It would not make any sense for him to lie in the fashion that was suggested. Far more likely in context of his comment was that he did not understand.
The first response being an accusation of lying is not conducive to a welcoming and friendly community, that you lead Piotr by your example. The tone you set will be followed by the many young impressionable members here. Members with issues will think twice before posting, out of fear of unpleasant responses. Sure, some will think harder about being clearer in wording, but some won't bother to post at all.
I have been on too many forums over many years that have become horrible places due to unwelcoming and officious mods who quote rules and laws over putting themselves in the shoes of less knowledgeable members, or forgetting that they were new once too.
I'm not saying don't call people out who transgress, but it would be nice to see the first step be to ask questions then shoot if warranted, not the other way around as exhibited in this thread.
The forum is mutual benefit - we get a great community of people who share interest and the app. You get a community of people who can help you develop, test and improve iMTG. Win win. Let's keep it that way.
Just my 2c...
I can't like it because I don't have enough posts, but your comments were extremely well expressed and worded.
Congrats!
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Lying to me is statement of incorrect fact with an intention to either deceive or hide truth, for reasons known to the liar.
Precisely. Now, knowing how the pricing system works and what are its weaknesses, I knew that the price system is not at all 'terribly messed up'. I had no reasons to believe that 'more than half of the prices in the guide were wrong', and I still don't believe it. I had all the required reasons to call out lie in this particular case. I couldn't prove it, case closed.
Now, to all the customers and forum members: please expect as harsh or harsher response from me if you post in iMtG part of the forum without proper data to back up your claims. Do not exaggerate, I do not want this to be done to me. Exaggeration is a form of lie, if not intended as a joke. I hope that's clear enough.
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 10:06:06 AMAs you say Piotr, we can't tell intention, and can only read words as written, but as an optimistic human being I believe that if there is doubt about intent, or the statement is ambiguous as this one was, first response should be to seek clarification of intent, not cast accusations of deceptive intent.
'How exactly is that not lying?' was asked to clarify intentions. Unfortunately, the topic drifted.
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Wow, I agree with the overall thread of response here, and I see Piotr's reaction as unnecessarily harsh. I'm going to comment on this because I too have seen a familiar pattern, and it's not one that is good to see.
Piotr as you seem to appreciate logical reasoning, this is why:
Lying to me is statement of incorrect fact with an intention to either deceive or hide truth, for reasons known to the liar. As you say Piotr, we can't tell intention, and can only read words as written, but as an optimistic human being I believe that if there is doubt about intent, or the statement is ambiguous as this one was, first response should be to seek clarification of intent, not cast accusations of deceptive intent.
The original post and subsequent clarifications read to me that the poster was unaware of how the pricing works, and was incorrectly placing the blame on iMTG. Unfortunate yes. But deliberate intent to deceive by statement of false facts? Why would he, when the truth would so easily and openly prove him wrong? It would not make any sense for him to lie in the fashion that was suggested. Far more likely in context of his comment was that he did not understand.
The first response being an accusation of lying is not conducive to a welcoming and friendly community, that you lead Piotr by your example. The tone you set will be followed by the many young impressionable members here. Members with issues will think twice before posting, out of fear of unpleasant responses. Sure, some will think harder about being clearer in wording, but some won't bother to post at all.
I have been on too many forums over many years that have become horrible places due to unwelcoming and officious mods who quote rules and laws over putting themselves in the shoes of less knowledgeable members, or forgetting that they were new once too.
I'm not saying don't call people out who transgress, but it would be nice to see the first step be to ask questions then shoot if warranted, not the other way around as exhibited in this thread.
The forum is mutual benefit - we get a great community of people who share interest and the app. You get a community of people who can help you develop, test and improve iMTG. Win win. Let's keep it that way.
Just my 2c...
Well played good sir, +1
And on a separate note, is it just me or is every one generally overreacting to something that really does not matter...at all.
Quote from: Piotr on April 03, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
I had all the required reasons to call out lie in this particular case.
This is a perfect example to illustrate my point Piotr. I don't believe your statement is correct. But my response is not to ask you if you are lying, it is to point out that no, you did not have all the information needed to suggest that. Specifically, you did not know his intent. You could have (should have) clarified to ascertain that BEFORE asking if he was lying.
QuoteNow, to all the customers and forum members: please expect as harsh or harsher response from me if you post in iMtG part of the forum without proper data to back up your claims. Do not exaggerate, I do not want this to be done to me. Exaggeration is a form of lie, if not intended as a joke. I hope that's clear enough.
99% of people in this world are not scientists who are supposed to only posit information with data to back up claims. We are human beings who make mistakes, and speak sometimes (often) without putting in the necessary thought. We all exaggerate (unintentionally) on a daily basis, based on our own assessment and point of view. You do too Piotr. Do we want this to be 'done to us'? Of course not, but we develop the emotional intelligence to be able to absorb it and work with other human beings in a socially acceptable and non-aggressive non-antagonistic manner.
Your response i quote here is antagonistic Piotr. It is perfectly clear, no problems there, but it just sounds to me like chest-beating with no helpful content at all. In your words we are your customers. I don't subscribe to the 'customer is always right' belief, but customers do deserve the benefit of the doubt. E.g. I work in the airline industry... Imagine a passenger on a plane, frustrated because the plane is late leaving. He comments to the crew 'this airline is ALWAYS late'. Is he correct? No. Does the crew member say 'You are lying.' They could, but would that help the situation? Absolutely not. Would it escalate the situation, aggravate the customer, and be unnecessary and pointless? Yes. As was your response. They are trained to cut through comments like that and calm situations down. You set the tone here Piotr...
What we have the RIGHT to do is many times not the RIGHT thing to do. Wisdom is knowing when they are different.
I don't contribute much to this forum - 80 odd posts in a year - but if this pattern continues I will just step away. I don't like the attitude. I doubt I would be alone.
And if you think that would be our loss, then that is your loss.
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 07:07:07 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 03, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
I had all the required reasons to call out lie in this particular case.
This is a perfect example to illustrate my point Piotr. I don't believe your statement is correct. But my response is not to ask you if you are lying, it is to point out that no, you did not have all the information needed to suggest that. Specifically, you did not know his intent. You could have (should have) clarified to ascertain that BEFORE asking if he was lying.
QuoteNow, to all the customers and forum members: please expect as harsh or harsher response from me if you post in iMtG part of the forum without proper data to back up your claims. Do not exaggerate, I do not want this to be done to me. Exaggeration is a form of lie, if not intended as a joke. I hope that's clear enough.
99% of people in this world are not scientists who are supposed to only posit information with data to back up claims. We are human beings who make mistakes, and speak sometimes (often) without putting in the necessary thought. We all exaggerate (unintentionally) on a daily basis, based on our own assessment and point of view. You do too Piotr. Do we want this to be 'done to us'? Of course not, but we develop the emotional intelligence to be able to absorb it and work with other human beings in a socially acceptable and non-aggressive non-antagonistic manner.
Your response i quote here is antagonistic Piotr. It is perfectly clear, no problems there, but it just sounds to me like chest-beating with no helpful content at all. In your words we are your customers. I don't subscribe to the 'customer is always right' belief, but customers do deserve the benefit of the doubt. E.g. I work in the airline industry... Imagine a passenger on a plane, frustrated because the plane is late leaving. He comments to the crew 'this airline is ALWAYS late'. Is he correct? No. Does the crew member say 'You are lying.' They could, but would that help the situation? Absolutely not. Would it escalate the situation, aggravate the customer, and be unnecessary and pointless? Yes. As was your response. They are trained to cut through comments like that and calm situations down. You set the tone here Piotr...
What we have the RIGHT to do is many times not the RIGHT thing to do. Wisdom is knowing when they are different.
I don't contribute much to this forum - 80 odd posts in a year - but if this pattern continues I will just step away. I don't like the attitude. I doubt I would be alone.
And if you think that would be our loss, then that is your loss.
Again, I have to 100% agree. I already commented the other day that I hadn't liked the tone of one of Piotr's replies to 1 of my posts. It made me feel bad and annoyed.
Piotr is an amazing developer. Not only that, he has solved many (if not almos all) of my doubts and problems really fast. That's an outstanding service for a 5-star app that has become my most-used app. Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that I like reading the irony or sarcasm in some of the replies in the forum.
And yes, that kind of replies can only make people unwilling to ask or comment (it crossed my mind, the following time I had a question). If people don't ask doubts or comment on things that are not working as they should, the app will not improve as fast as it could, and that's bad for everyone (customers and developer).
I agree with Swallowtail and I think his example of the flight industry was fantastic. We can always find rude customers but if we are also rude the only thing that can happen is that the problem escalates and we end up loosing that customer and other customers in the way.
I know the forum is not a strict part of iMtG, but it is really helpful and interesting (I'm learning a lot here), but if the tone and the mood is going to continue in this direction I might make the same decission as the previous poster.
Common, guys, let's keep a possitive attitude as long as we can...
Best,
Rhazor
The way I see this whole explosion is the op noticed something had gone awry with the prices, not knowing that it wasn't the fault of the app itself he did what any rational person would do and reported it, Piotr misunderstood the report due to miscommunication and responded with hostility, all in all this was the result of a misunderstanding and a miscommunication, assuming we are all human, humans make mistakes let's get over it and move on
Quote from: S717 on April 03, 2013, 07:25:59 PM
The way I see this whole explosion is the op noticed something had gone awry with the prices, not knowing that it wasn't the fault of the app itself he did what any rational person would do and reported it, Piotr misunderstood the report due to miscommunication and responded with hostility, all in all this was the result of a misunderstanding and a miscommunication, assuming we are all human, humans make mistakes let's get over it and move on
I agree with your points, but brought the issue up because I was watching these type of statements turn the community towards nastiness. If the tone isn't formally changed with an acknowledgment of some sort I feel like I will have to leave the community. I hope dearly that will not be the case.
Quote from: Piotr on April 03, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: swallowtail on April 03, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Lying to me is statement of incorrect fact with an intention to either deceive or hide truth, for reasons known to the liar.
Precisely. Now, knowing how the pricing system works and what are its weaknesses, I knew that the price system is not at all 'terribly messed up'. I had no reasons to believe that 'more than half of the prices in the guide were wrong', and I still don't believe it. I had all the required reasons to call out lie in this
'Terribly messed up' doesn't necessarily mean 'more than half the prices messed up. It could just mean some cards wrong by 49000%, don't you think? Your values can be different than other people's values, think about it.
I would name the topic 'issues with price guide' or 'some prices are way off', but never 'terribly messed up'. I prefer precise wording in places which are visible to other customers, especially iMtG section of Gathering. I felt like a punishment is in line but one of the mods judged otherwise, fair enough. Now I made myself clear, if you post FUD here you will get harsh response from me. If you want to emo quit over it, you're free to go.
Quote from: Rhazor on April 03, 2013, 07:20:26 PMIf people don't ask doubts or comment on things that are not working as they should, the app will not improve as fast as it could, and that's bad for everyone (customers and developer).
On the other hand, if people ask dumb questions which require minimum effort to figure the answer for, or if they mislead me into thinking something is terribly messed up in the app and thus force me to drop everything and go and try to fix this, that is time I can never get back, and believe me I'm stretched very thin at the moment. I don't think asking to be precise when posting in the iMtG section is too much, or hostile.
Quote from: Piotr on April 04, 2013, 07:04:13 AM
I would name the topic 'issues with price guide' or 'some prices are way off', but never 'terribly messed up'. I prefer precise wording in places which are visible to other customers, especially iMtG section of Gathering. I felt like a punishment is in line but one of the mods judged otherwise, fair enough. Now I made myself clear, if you post FUD here you will get harsh response from me. If you want to emo quit over it, you're free to go.
Ah Piotr, as they say down here "lighten up mate". :) Not just here in this thread, but in general when people ask questions.
The vast majority of respondants (your customers) in this thread disagree with you but I'll give you points for... let's call it 'tenacity'.
And when we point out that it's making some feel like it is not a comfortable place, you start talking about people emo quitting. LOL...
In the interest of no longer wasting my breath when it appears that you can't see anyone's point of view but your own (or just unwilling to acknowledge any but your own?), I will make one final observation:
Saying "sorry, I over-reacted" would probably gain you back more respect than you have lost in this. My mum always taught me that it takes personal backbone, courage and emotional intelligence to apologise, but that it makes you the better man for it.
To all those who have thanked my posts and +'ed karma for them in this thread, thank you. Respect to you. :)
Piotr, if you care so much for customers who might have a bad idea of the app reading this forums, try being nicer with your answers as well. The OP was just trying to report a problem to make the app better, and as he saw some messed up pricing, by 490 times the real price in the extreme one, he saw that as terrible. He didn't check every card, just saw some and reported, and I think it is was too messed up as well to have this values. If you want better titles, make a help posting etiquette (I would suggest something in the lines of 'problem with *section of the app here*', as it is pretty straightforward and make no misinterpretations.
Now, if logic is the ultimate law, what is the logic in flaming your own customers, specially the ones interested in making the app better and/or improving your own forum?
Quote from: Mentonin on April 04, 2013, 09:24:47 AM
Piotr, if you care so much for customers who might have a bad idea of the app reading this forums, try being nicer with your answers as well. The OP was just trying to report a problem to make the app better, and as he saw some messed up pricing, by 490 times the real price in the extreme one, he saw that as terrible. He didn't check every card, just saw some and reported, and I think it is was too messed up as well to have this values. If you want better titles, make a help posting etiquette (I would suggest something in the lines of 'problem with *section of the app here*', as it is pretty straightforward and make no misinterpretations.
Now, if logic is the ultimate law, what is the logic in flaming your own customers, specially the ones interested in making the app better and/or improving your own forum?
The etiquette we have on this forum is this: do not do to others what they would not want to be done to themselves. As one of 'others', I simply state a fact that I find this topic's thread to be false. False is the opposite of true, and something not true is a lie. I have no idea why people overreact to a harshly simple 'How is this not a lie?'. You don't want to see me talking, go and Hide me, if you disagree Don't, if you Like you know what to do, as simple as this is our etiquette ;) Enjoy my forum :D
Who cares anymore? the database is updated and prices arent in full retard mode.
Writing paragraphs hasn't solved anything in this Mexican standoff. I don't care anymore. The creator of the app said he was butthurt by my wording. I apologize that i offended you. I'm not going to play with these faerie .politics. of online forums. I use this app for trading, so if the prices are completely off when I'm trading a revised dual land, I'm going to inquire in my own manner and wording. Your app is great, it's not god like however, it is prone to error.
It is not just the 'how is it not a lie' from this thread. It is a series of harsh, filled with sarcasm, uncaring answer to posters not doing anything to really deserve it. I got a recent example quoted down here, but I can look for more if you want proof of it being a sequence
Quote from: Piotr on March 26, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: darkshanx on March 26, 2013, 05:02:23 PM
Yeah. In trying to use the predicate which I think is SQL or whatever which I've no clue about.
Put in this in to try to do it
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection ).@count = 0
Complete collection is my binder name so I can search just that. I check it it says looks ok but then click back and the app crashes
Well it should, you created properly broken predicate and the check is very dumb. Try this:
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection' ).@count = 0
and this
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection' ).@count > 0
You can save these as Bookmarks and that's it, iMtG can do what you wanted already.
darkshank was honestly trying to help. He stated that he didn't know exactly what he was doing, and gave a base for the other to 'try to do it', in his own words. He also stated that something in it was wrong, alright. Now, you corrected him, which was very nice, but did you have to say 'Well it should, you created a properly broken predicate and the check is very dumb'? Maybe just saying that there were some syntax errors would be nice. Using your own law, I bet darkshanx didn't want someone to say that something he did trying to help shouldn't work because it is very dumb
Quote from: Muggywuggy on April 04, 2013, 10:48:15 AM
Who cares anymore? the database is updated and prices arent in full retard mode.
Writing paragraphs hasn't solved anything in this Mexican standoff. I don't care anymore. The creator of the app said he was butthurt by my wording. I apologize that i offended you. I'm not going to play with these faerie .politics. of online forums. I use this app for trading, so if the prices are completely off when I'm trading a revised dual land, I'm going to inquire in my own manner and wording. Your app is great, it's not god like however, it is prone to error.
I apologise for being too harsh.
I do realise it is prone to error, fixing this is on my TODO. It's not a small task though as I need to rewrite a lot of TCGplayer.com unless they stop butthurting me by delivering dodgy prices.
Quote from: Mentonin on April 04, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
It is not just the 'how is it not a lie' from this thread. It is a series of harsh, filled with sarcasm, uncaring answer to posters not doing anything to really deserve it. I got a recent example quoted down here, but I can look for more if you want proof of it being a sequence
Quote from: Piotr on March 26, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: darkshanx on March 26, 2013, 05:02:23 PM
Yeah. In trying to use the predicate which I think is SQL or whatever which I've no clue about.
Put in this in to try to do it
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection ).@count = 0
Complete collection is my binder name so I can search just that. I check it it says looks ok but then click back and the app crashes
Well it should, you created properly broken predicate and the check is very dumb. Try this:
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection' ).@count = 0
and this
SUBQUERY( bindernames, $x, $x.binder.name = 'Complete Collection' ).@count > 0
You can save these as Bookmarks and that's it, iMtG can do what you wanted already.
darkshank was honestly trying to help. He stated that he didn't know exactly what he was doing, and gave a base for the other to 'try to do it', in his own words. He also stated that something in it was wrong, alright. Now, you corrected him, which was very nice, but did you have to say 'Well it should, you created a properly broken predicate and the check is very dumb'? Maybe just saying that there were some syntax errors would be nice. Using your own law, I bet darkshanx didn't want someone to say that something he did trying to help shouldn't work because it is very dumb
The predicate was properly broken. Not terribly ;) 'Proper' in UK English is not hostile.
The check is the Check button in Predicate view, and it is truly dumb. I know, I wrote it, I'm not taking offence as this is the truth :D
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about his SQL card check, not the check button. This proves how you can misunderstand things, specially in written communication. I can still compile the series, though. I saw you apologized, it is good, but do try to make a change, it is not that hard. And the other points in my post, though the example wasn't the best, are still valid
Yes, but I'm a little bit evil :D Thank you for the advice.