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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Viichanger on April 01, 2013, 06:16:29 PM

Title: Clone
Post by: Viichanger on April 01, 2013, 06:16:29 PM
Using clone to clone a creature on the battle field and opponent uses blink. Does clone not become opponent creature and clone dies because the creature was blinked and that creature isn't there anymore?
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: adventus on April 01, 2013, 06:37:33 PM
Correct.  It dies because it's a 0/0 shapeshifter.
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Millionlittlee on April 01, 2013, 06:39:49 PM
Really but it enters as a copy so it is already the creature when the target (which it doesn't target) creature is blinked
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: adventus on April 01, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
[Edited out some confusing stuff I wrote that makes no sense and won't help anyone]

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Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Gorzo on April 01, 2013, 07:45:15 PM
{Clone}

When a creature is blinked, it comes back as a new object. It is not the same target, and an effect targeting it would fail to find it and fizzle.

However, Clone's effect does not target. It simply looks at the battlefield as-is on resolution and lets you choose one to copy. A flicker will not stop clone from choosing it, unless it blinks it out until end of turn, like {vanish into memory}.

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Title: Re: Clone
Post by: adventus on April 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
But clone doesn't target
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Gorzo on April 01, 2013, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: adventus on April 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
But clone doesn't target

You are correct, edited my answer ;).

This is why we ask users to link cards in question. I had to link it with my post, double check the wording on clone, then go back and edit. No big deal, but it really help us answer more efficiently to have the card link handy.
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: adventus on April 01, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
So is it not a triggered ability bcs it doesn't start with 'when'?
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Gorzo on April 01, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: adventus on April 01, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
So is it not a triggered ability bcs it doesn't start with 'when'?

I'm not 100% sure to be honest, but I don't think it's considered a triggered ability. I think it's a static attribute of the card.
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on April 01, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: adventus on April 01, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
So is it not a triggered ability bcs it doesn't start with 'when'?

I'm not 100% sure to be honest, but I don't think it's considered a triggered ability. I think it's a static attribute of the card.
Correct, sir! Clone's ability is a really weird thing that can pretty much only be described as an "ability". It's just something that {Clone} can do; it doesn't use the stack, doesn't target, and can't be responded to. Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: scarsabrex on April 01, 2013, 09:34:11 PM
Would this not be considered a replacement effect?
Title: Re: Clone
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on April 01, 2013, 09:34:11 PM
Would this not be considered a replacement effect?
Actually, yes! It's a weird one, but technically:


419.1b Effects that read "[This permanent] comes into play with . . . ," "As [this permanent] comes into play . . . ," or "[This permanent] comes into play as . . . " are replacement effects.

Good call!