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Title: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
Any final fantasy fans on the forum??
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
This guy right here. Started playing IX last night actually.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 08:34:28 PM
Ahh yes I am currently mid ff9 myself ironically(just scooped the blood sword for steiner, beastly)! Just replayed 7 and 8 on my Psone emulator as well, reliving my childhood :) lol

And yeah final fantasy 10 was most definetly The last truly good ff game. I mean I enjoyed 12, but 13 was horrible I couldn't even play it through all the way. The removal of the turn based system just killed me
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 08:37:44 PM
Yeah definetly understandable, it was hard for me to put it down, being that I've been playing the series since I was 7. It just wasn't the same.

Ever play 11? The whole diving into a ff MMORPG seemed interesting I just was to stubborn to pay a fee
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
The FF games nowadays don't even feel like FF games. They feel so forced and....well, bad. I used to care about each character, and want them to do better, which really made these heartfelt games to me. The characters now are so forced that I honestly don't care for a single one. The storylines are losing their touch majorly, too. It's not nearly as magical anymore. I honestly can't help but feel a bit betrayed by the franchise.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:42:01 PM
Ok for people who watched the conference, square Enix is making a new Final Fantasy for PS4.  Of course no body was looking for a final fantasy, everyone was looking for a KINGDOM HEARTS game.  The crowds reaction explains it all....

And it was hilarious! XD
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
I think they should just take a hint from their fans. Stop putting out new ones, we don't like them anymore, and give us our darn remake of 7!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Well think about it this way, there are several reviews that say that the sequels to all the games were terrible, like FF VII 2. 

Nobody liked it.  (if that's what your talking about.)
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
I think they should just take a hint from their fans. Stop putting out new ones, we don't like them anymore, and give us our darn remake of 7!

If they finally re-made 7( which is ridiculously long overdue, crisis core was such a horrible tease), I beleive I would explode from sheer joy
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Well think about it this way, there are several reviews that say that the sequels to all the games were terrible, like FF VII 2. 

Nobody liked it.  (if that's what your talking about.)

Ahh yes but these were actual sequels to the storylines followed by those games, which was unnecessary with the length and depth of the story already told. A re-make with a couple new characters, enhanced graphics and cinematics, a couple added quests to the main story-line as well as a
Couple new sidequests, perhaps a new area to explore and I'd be happy. Nothing needs to change about the plot and storyline as far as I'm concerned!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Dudecore on March 31, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
The way SquareEnix coldly exploits the iconic imagery and characters from Final Fantasy VII (all the spinoffs, paid apps, various cameos, music) if amazes me they haven't tried to remake it. The audience that played it is older, with more disposable income - perhaps they haven't figured a way to monetize the entire experience?
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
Ok cool that's what I thought you guys were talking about.  Yeah playstation store had final fantasy 7 in the playstation store.

I usually play that.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Well think about it this way, there are several reviews that say that the sequels to all the games were terrible, like FF VII 2. 

Nobody liked it.  (if that's what your talking about.)
Not quite, I mean essentially a re-release if the game. Here are some points:

-Square got so many letters about it, they release a video of the intro to the game, with improved graphics
-The president himself said he really wants to do the remake
-The game wasn't finished! Aeris was supposed to come back, which is why you could still buy stronger weapons for her later in the game.
-The game was so popular, it has a prequel, a sequel, a follow up movie, and its characters featured in several other games.

What does 13 have? (Which I've already heard of two more games coming out)

-A first game that people were pretty "meh" about
-A sequel that nobody wanted, or liked
-A setup for a third which was enraging on nearly Mass Effect levels.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
Mass Effect LEVELS?!!!!!?!??!!! \('O')/

IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 31, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
Mass Effect LEVELS?!!!!!?!??!!! \('O')/

IMPOSSIBLE!!!
It's a bit of an overstatement but consider this.

SPOILERS
You take a really long, pretty bullcrap journey to change the future and save Sarah. You find Caius, and through a bunch of crap that doesn't make sense, he dies. Then, yay, you save Sarah! She can go get married (to the guy who gets no screen time in this game). All if a sudden, she drops dead, the sky years open, and there's lightning, who should be fine, sitting on a throne, dead and bloodied. Everything you did in this game was for NOTHING. You fail, horribly, and they slap on a "to be continued....."

From the creators of games that provided you with great struggle, character development, and overall a good feeling if accomplishment at the end of the game. Horrible betrayal.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 31, 2013, 09:03:51 PM
Playing ffvi here... On the final level grind... Everyone knows every magic, gau has all the rages....
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mike_garzone on March 31, 2013, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 31, 2013, 09:03:51 PM
Playing ffvi here... On the final level grind... Everyone knows every magic, gau has all the rages....

Ahh the classic! I always loved Edgar and his tools such an interesting mechanism that they didn't really take up in any other ff game
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Moneekahh on March 31, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
Did anyone here like FFX-2??
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Vyse on March 31, 2013, 10:50:01 PM
Why isn't this in digital lol? Anyway I'm an old school fan, up until 4 I loved them, loved tactics/war of the lions especially, but I'm a grid based rpg kind of guy
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Langku on March 31, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Depends on the FF. My preference for the series is proportional to how early the title was released. Except for IX. I love that one. It was a highlight in a downward spiral that started with VIII.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 31, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
Did anyone here like FFX-2??
I liked it for the battle system and the happy ending.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Xaol on March 31, 2013, 11:14:07 PM
All you kids playing those new final fantasy games :P
Final Fantasy 3 and Final Fantasy 4 were amazing games. Never tried the console ones but they seem very different from the older ones I grew up with.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Kareason on March 31, 2013, 11:48:06 PM
Diehard FF fan. Started when 1 hit the states on NES. Played and beat them all. Hated 8. Love US 2 & 3 for sentimental reasons, X is my favorite storyline. X2 was fun due to the dress sphere battle system. Favorite Heros:Kain, Vincent & Auron. Favorite Villians: Kefka & Sephiroth.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on April 01, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
FFX-2 felt like a betrayal. It teased the possibility of true love happily ever after between Tidus and whatshername, LIKE THEY DESERVED, its (spoiler alert) just some random other dude that ISN'T Tidus. And "I will devastate you with my flower attack". Seriously? What happened to Lulu's chaining a dozen Ultima's together? THAT was awesome. I couldn't do FFX-2. "It's a trap!"
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on April 01, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
FFX-2 felt like a betrayal. It teased the possibility of true love happily ever after between Tidus and whatshername, LIKE THEY DESERVED, its (spoiler alert) just some random other dude that ISN'T Tidus. And "I will devastate you with my flower attack". Seriously? What happened to Lulu's chaining a dozen Ultima's together? THAT was awesome. I couldn't do FFX-2. "It's a trap!"
If you 100% the game, it shows the true ending where Tidus swims to the shore and embraces Yuna. The happy ending is there, it's just a pain to get lol
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mothaelon on April 01, 2013, 12:12:18 AM
I really enjoyed 12. I thought the story and characters were superb.

But I guess I'm on a lone boat with this one >.>
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Metalhead212 on April 01, 2013, 12:17:04 AM
7 was my favorite. Though I had a friend who spent x amount if hours leveling up Aeris as far as she could go, only too...yeah. I feel his pain to this day!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
SPOILERS
Very little of that is accurate.

SPOILERS


Serah's death is not out of nowhere; it's being set up throughout the game, and near the end, she states that she's aware of and accepts the consequences of her actions. And they're not on a quest to save her, but Lightning. And Lightning is neither dead nor bloodied; she turned herself to crystal (which, yeah, is stupid) to avoid dying.

When the plot outright tells you that Etro is holding things together, and that killing Caius will also kill Etro, expecting a happy ending after they kill Caius is pretty naive.

I have a lot of problems with 13-2, but its ending is not one of them. They set up clear consequences and followed through on them. A happy ending where they escaped all that would have been the real betrayal.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Richardalcala on April 01, 2013, 12:34:50 AM
I loved ff VI the best version is on the GBA. if you want to play it. 
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
Quote from: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
SPOILERS
Very little of that is accurate.

SPOILERS


Serah's death is not out of nowhere; it's being set up throughout the game, and near the end, she states that she's aware of and accepts the consequences of her actions. And they're not on a quest to save her, but Lightning. And Lightning is neither dead nor bloodied; she turned herself to crystal (which, yeah, is stupid) to avoid dying.

When the plot outright tells you that Etro is holding things together, and that killing Caius will also kill Etro, expecting a happy ending after they kill Caius is pretty naive.

I have a lot of problems with 13-2, but its ending is not one of them. They set up clear consequences and followed through on them. A happy ending where they escaped all that would have been the real betrayal.
That's not what I got out of the game.
Noel accompanies Serah after saving her, to protect her on her journey to find her sister. Noel's purpose wasn't to save Lightning, but to help Serah. He wants to change the future, and help her find her sister. After the whole "visions of the future kills me" thing is established, and they kill the villain, there's the ending. Everyone is celebrating, and as I recall, Noel is happy because they changed the future, and her visions had stopped. This would mean she's saved! She thanks Noel, and then has.....a vision. All of a sudden, things aren't safe, you didn't change anyone's fate (which was one of the main points of the game), and everything that you thought you had fixed is horribly wrong again.
Apparently I misremembered Lightning's appearance, but with no explanation in-game as to what happened, I assumed her dead. I feel it's a betrayal to all the Final Fantasies; where's the happy ending? Where's the feeling of accomplishment? And then, what do we get?

"To be continued....."
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
Serah's life gets shorter with every vision she has. Her visions stopping wouldn't return what she'd lost.

And they did change the future; the future Noel came from was prevented. They just triggered something far worse as a consequence.

I guess I just don't believe everything needs a happy ending.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
Serah's life gets shorter with every vision she has. Her visions stopping wouldn't return what she'd lost.

And they did change the future; the future Noel came from was prevented. They just triggered something far worse as a consequence.

I guess I just don't believe everything needs a happy ending.
Fair enough, I just think it was a bit much. I like at least some sense of accomplishment. FFX had a sad ending, but you permanently ended Sin. Not a happy ending, but you get some accomplishment. The end of 13-2 just seems like a "everything you worked for was in vain" kind of feel to it. But hey, it's just not for me I suppose. The game didnt feel very Final Fantasy to me. I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed it; to each their own!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 01:32:26 AM
I honestly loved XIII and XIII-2. Sure XIII-2 had a story that was damn near impossible to follow, but it was fun to play. I feel like they really haven't captured characters well in the new ones. Hope is just a whiny little , Snow is just an over-zealous douche, Vanille is too annoying to matter, and Fang tries way too hard to be a badass.  That leaves Lightning and Sazh. They are the only 2 I really cared about in XIII. But it isn't like, let's just go with IV.  Fromthe start ofthe game, you can tell something is wrong with Cecil and that there are a lot of conflictions in his head.  Same with Kain.  And Rose (Rosa? Can't remember...) is the same way. Tellah's got his daughter's death to deal with.  Palom and Parom have each other.  Edward has Tellah's daughter/his wife to struggle with.  You really get a feel for the characters and what they're going through in older games. That's kinda lost in the newer ones. The focus was too much on cinematics and voices and trying to reveal as much as possible of the female character's skin.  A downloadable bikini for Serah?  Really?  That's reaching for a particular audience :P. The story and basis of the characters is just lost in the new ones.

Jeez!  If you don't want to read the book I just wrote on here, I totally understand! 
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Keyeto on April 01, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Book read, Silent! I agree, the characters just aren't the same. Even the little things matter so much to me. I'll use 7 as a reference. Just the fact that everybody seems to notice your eyes is awesome to me. As a member of SOLDIER (which Cloud actually was never a part of) the mako energy in you turns your eyes a different color. Some npcs find it entrancing, beautiful; some find it as a sign of high rank, some find it just strange. And in the back if my mind, I'm constantly reminded of why he has those eyes. Those "beautiful" eyes were forced on to him through experiments related to the Jenova Reunion Theory. It's a horrible combination of alien cells and scientific experiments, a constant scar of what happened to him. Nobody knows of this, and he doesn't tell anyone, just lets them think they're beautiful, powerful eyes. Things like that, you just don't get anymore :/
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Langku on April 01, 2013, 01:58:52 AM
Nothing can touch 6. It was steam punk before steam punk was cool. And you got to sing in an opera.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: rarehuntertay on April 01, 2013, 07:15:48 AM
Quote from: Langku on April 01, 2013, 01:58:52 AM
Nothing can touch 6. It was steam punk before steam punk was cool. And you got to sing in an opera.
And you get to play as a moogle!!!
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:01:30 PM
Keyeto, I'm glad I'm not the only one who goes through and sees all the interesting little dialogue.  I miss having the ability to relate to a character. So much pointless violence with no rhyme or reason in modern video games. You were fighting for something in the old games. I've forgotten what the purpose of XIII was :P. Save the l'cie?  Too bad, you are one. Save Serah?  Congratulations! Now she has to save you.  Doesn't make much sense...
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
No

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
.yes.

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

No what? haha

Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
.yes.

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

No what? haha
Piotr changed "no" to .yes. like the swear words but then changed it back :(
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: prayos on April 01, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: prayos on April 01, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.

It was the Cid Raines battle. Every. Single. Time. I staggered him, he morphed and it was hard to stay ahead after that.
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:17:38 PM
Quote from: prayos on April 01, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.

The airship towards the end of the game really got to me.  It was so frustrating.  What really made me mad was killing an Adamantoise to try and get the achievement, just to find out they change into long gui (spelling?) that you have to kill instead. 
Title: Re: Final fantasy
Post by: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
.yes.

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

No what? haha
Piotr changed "no" to .yes. like the swear words but then changed it back :(

Haha he changed all kinds of things :P