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Title: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Dman on March 30, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
 I'm attacking Akroma, Angel of Fury with Holy Mantle attached with my Vampire Nighthawk with several Exalted counters...
Does the Protection from Creatures rule out both Deathtouch and Lifelink??

Thanks
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Hays413 on March 30, 2013, 10:51:59 PM
{Akroma, Angel of Fury}
{Holy Mantle}
{Vampire Nighthawk}
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Dman on March 30, 2013, 10:55:24 PM
My opponent has Akroma with Holy Mantle. I have Nighthawk...
Does Nighthawk still destroy Akroma?
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
'Protection from X' protects from combat damage. Deathtouch and lifelink are dependant upon combat damage, therefore neither will trigger.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Dman on March 30, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
Thanks, our argument was based off of the 'Any amount' part.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Bman0121 on March 30, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
No because deathtouch states that the creature has to deal damage and the akroma has protection from creatures inwhich it cant be dealt damage by creatures so no damage dealt equals no deathtouch killing angel
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 11:07:13 PM
0 damage does not qualify as combat damage in any situation, for future reference. If {ornithopter} were to attack for 0 damage you could not have that trigger or effect 'deal damage' effects.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Keyeto on March 30, 2013, 11:47:53 PM
This whole thing is irrelevant. While its true that deathtouch requires damage to be dealt, and it can't be dealt damage, no creature could block her in the first place. Protection covers the following:

D: Damage
E: Equipment/Enchantments
B: Blocking
T: Targeting

Good way to remember it: DEBT. Akroma can't be dealt damage by the creature in the first place, as no creature with deathtouch could block her.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: MisterJH on March 31, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
He is attacking with the nighthawk, his opponent has the akroma.

His wording is just odd.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 31, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
He is attacking with the nighthawk, his opponent has the akroma.

His wording is just odd.
Ohhhhh alright then. You can semi-ignore my statement then lol.
Carry on! Sorry if it caused any confusion.
Title: Re: Deathtouch vs Protecion
Post by: Dman on March 31, 2013, 02:35:30 PM
Yes, apologies for the wording lol I tried to re-state the situation in a later reply. But we got it. Thanks again to all the help :-)
I just wish my Nighthawk could have finished her!