{Obzedat, Ghost Council}
Can you exile Obzedat from your graveyard?
Quote from: Sezahn on March 24, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
{Obzedat, Ghost Council}
Can you exile Obzedat from your graveyard?
No.
Unless something else lets you, but Obzy by himself? Nope.
If you could, it would allow an Obzy on turn 3.
(On the draw, Obzy in opening hand, draw card, play nothing, discard Obzy, turn 3 exile then onto the battlefield... But you can't so...)
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{Gloom Surgeon}..? Though I don't know if that works, seems like he has to be exiled from the battlefield first.
Quote from: Vyse on March 24, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
{Gloom Surgeon}..? Though I don't know if that works, seems like he has to be exiled from the battlefield first.
He does..
He's already a badass, he doesnt need to be broken.
Quote from: Sezahn on March 24, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
{Obzedat, Ghost Council}
Can you exile Obzedat from your graveyard?
The text for Obzedat says, "At the beginning of your end step, you may exile Obzedat. If you do, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of your next upkeep. It gains haste."
If he is in your graveyard, he is not in exile. You can exile him with another card but thats not going to bring him back to play. He only comes back if you exiled him with his own ability or bring him back with a spell.
No, it's only its on the battlefield and the end of your end step you may exile him.
Could you stack his ability with {Conjurer's Closet}?
Quote from: Younghawk on March 28, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Could you stack his ability with {Conjurer's Closet}?
You sure can!!
BUT... "This is not the effect you're looking for"
Both abilities will trigger, one will "flicker" Obzy, the other will try but the original target Obzy is gone. Thus the second ability will fizzle. Either way you order the stack, both have the same result. These two cards together are redundant.
Damn well I guess {Cloudshift} will have to do then
Quote from: Hays413 on March 28, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Younghawk on March 28, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Could you stack his ability with {Conjurer's Closet}?
You sure can!!
BUT... "This is not the effect you're looking for"
Both abilities will trigger, one will "flicker" Obzy, the other will try but the original target Obzy is gone. Thus the second ability will fizzle. Either way you order the stack, both have the same result. These two cards together are redundant.
well if you use the closet, you skip the part where obzy returns at the beginning of your next upkeep, still does damage, gain life. and he is there to block
Quote from: Imdowd80 on March 29, 2013, 12:26:38 AM
Quote from: Hays413 on March 28, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Younghawk on March 28, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Could you stack his ability with {Conjurer's Closet}?
You sure can!!
BUT... "This is not the effect you're looking for"
Both abilities will trigger, one will "flicker" Obzy, the other will try but the original target Obzy is gone. Thus the second ability will fizzle. Either way you order the stack, both have the same result. These two cards together are redundant.
well if you use the closet, you skip the part where obzy returns at the beginning of your next upkeep, still does damage, gain life. and he is there to block
There are ups and downs. With the closet obzedat at becomes vulnerable to sorcery speed removal.
Quote from: Hays413 on March 28, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Younghawk on March 28, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Could you stack his ability with {Conjurer's Closet}?
You sure can!!
BUT... "This is not the effect you're looking for"
Both abilities will trigger, one will "flicker" Obzy, the other will try but the original target Obzy is gone. Thus the second ability will fizzle. Either way you order the stack, both have the same result. These two cards together are redundant.
I am not sure that you are right. The two triggers both happen at the start of your end step, but triggers (almost) never happen simultaneously. You choose to order the triggers so the closet pops first. As part of its ability, it returns him to play. Now the initial trigger from the creature is still on the stack, and it is still the beginning of the phase. Does the initial trigger which is still on the stack see the creature, or not because a creAture that flickers counts as a new creature? Does the returned creature trigger its ability since it is the start of the phase still, or not, since we are not in the "middle" of the beginning of the phase rather than the first moment of the phase?
Hays is correct. I'll break it down.
Either way, it won't work out. Both triggers will go onto the stack, but only one of them can end up affecting Obzedat.
1) Obzy first: If you have his own ability resolve first, then the Closet ability can't do anything because its only target is missing.
2) Closet first: If you let the Closet ability resolve first, then the Obzedat ability won't do anything when it resolves because it's referring to a different object than the one that jumped out of the closet (since it was exiled, there's no memory of its previous existence.)