Can I {Murder} a {Cinder Elemental} in response to activating the ability before the tap?
Quote from: Younghawk on March 23, 2013, 04:15:07 PM
Can I {Murder} a {Cinder Elemental} in response to activating the ability before the tap?
Short answer no. You can't respond because the elemental will already be dead, if you go for the murder first he can respond with the ability and your murder will fizzle.
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Nope once it hits the field youre out of luck! O.o
Quote from: MisterJH on March 23, 2013, 04:31:24 PM
Nope once it hits the field youre out of luck! O.o
Well, summoning sickness is a factor unless something gives it haste. But yeah, once it's able to tap, you are S-O-L. Your best bet is to remove it before then!
You more or less can never stop a creature ability from going off unless you can stifle it (or trickbind, etc)
Wait what? If you {Murder} in response to the opponent tapping out and activating the ability the ability doesnt resolve it dies first
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 23, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Wait what? If you {Murder} in response to the opponent tapping out and activating the ability the ability doesnt resolve it dies first
Sacrificing {Cinder Elemental} is part of the abilities cost, which would give {Murder} no target.
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 23, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Wait what? If you {Murder} in response to the opponent tapping out and activating the ability the ability doesnt resolve it dies first
Check out the FAQ section stickied above. Dudecore did a great job compiling all the rules, and I covered this subject in the FAQ. Activated abilities use the stack, and are independent from their sources. Killing the source does not stop the ability. Also, in this situation, the creature is already dead by the time it's ability is going off. There's no time to respond.
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 23, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Wait what? If you {Murder} in response to the opponent tapping out and activating the ability the ability doesnt resolve it dies first
That is false. Most people starting out think its that way and could play that way for years, but not true. Once the ability is on the stack, you cant stop it unless you do something like {Stifle} like I said before.
Think of it this way. If we were to ignore the fact that cinder elemental is sacrificed, and this an illegal target, for a moment here and say for the sake of learning that he just tapped to throw a {fireball}.
If a man throws a rock at you, and in response you {murder} the man at instant speed by shooting him in the face, the rock does not stop coming at you. The same is true of the Cinder Elemental and his Fireball - even with the thrower dead, the fire is already slung and is on the stack, coming at your face. Regardless of what happens to the thrower after it leaves his hand. Make sense?
But gorzo, what if I don't want to be hit in the face with a fireball :(
{captains maneuver} or {divine deflection}
I was speaking more of a comical sense, I know there are ways to prohibit the damage. I just literally did not want to be hit in the face with a fireball :p
Quote from: Mothaelon on March 24, 2013, 11:32:21 AM
I was speaking more of a comical sense, I know there are ways to prohibit the damage. I just literally did not want to be hit in the face with a fireball :p
Carry around a big water gun?
Do they make water guns that big?
Quote from: Mothaelon on March 24, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Do they make water guns that big?
Not to get this totally off topic, but they totally do. I used to have a water gun so huge that it had a powerful kickback when fired, and emptied a good pint of water in about a second. I was very sad when it broke.
Lol. :D wow
....to google!
This is what I get for forgetting to stamp a RESOLVED on here. Two pages and the topic is now squirt guns lol
Quote from: Keyeto on March 24, 2013, 07:14:32 PM
This is what I get for forgetting to stamp a RESOLVED on here. Two pages and the topic is now squirt guns lol
Well you've learned your lesson now haven't you? ;)
Quote from: Greg54js on March 24, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 24, 2013, 07:14:32 PM
This is what I get for forgetting to stamp a RESOLVED on here. Two pages and the topic is now squirt guns lol
Well you've learned your lesson now haven't you? ;)
I sure did, that'll teach me for slacking!
I honestly don't mind though, since the answer was already provided and THEN it went off into another topic. It only bothers me when things get out if hand initially, and make it hard to find an answer. But hey, that's why we have a big ol' RESOLVED; for when you guys need to discuss large water guns and such 😆
Quote from: Mothaelon on March 24, 2013, 07:04:51 PM
....to google!
It was a Super Soaker CPS 2500 (http://urbantaggers.blogspot.com/2011/10/retro-super-soaker-cps-2500-thats-tuff.html?m=1) ;) set on 20x was honestly significantly more kickback than a .22 target rifle firing real bullets. (Couldn't feel the .22, definitely felt the squirt gun lol)
K, done hijacking the thread now :D
I was gonna google "large water squarters" then I realized how terrible of a mistake that would have been -.-