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Title: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on February 18, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
Dark Sacrifice - From flashback parlor to human sacrifice

Welcome to the second deck we’re building on “Evolving Precons”! You guys voted on Dark Sacrifice, a scary white and black deck that focuses on sacrificing Humans. Mmm, tasty. There are a couple of cards in Innistrad that benefit from creatures dying, and Dark Ascension ups the notch.

Let’s see the decklist:

Dark Sacrifice v.1.0
Lands
1 {Haunted Fengraf}
12 {Plains}
11 {Swamp}
Creatures
1 {Champion of the Parish}
1 {Disciple of Griselbrand}
2 {Doomed Traveler}
2 {Elder Cathar}
2 {Elguad Inquisitor}
3 {Falkenrath Torturer}
1 {Fiend of the Shadows}
2 {Galvanic Juggernaut}
1 {Mausoleum Guard}
1 {Selfless Cathar}
1 {Skirsdag Flayer}
2 {Unruly Mob}
2 {Village Cannibals}
1 {Wakedancer}
Other Spells
2 {Altar’s Reap}
1 {Avacyn’s Collar}
2 {Death’s Caress}
1 {Demonmail Hauberk}
3 {Gather the Townsfolk}
1 {Gravepurge}
1 {Lingering Souls}
2 {Night Terrors}
1 {Unburial Rites}

At first glance, here are some of my thoughts.

I think it’s interesting that the {Haunted Fengraf} was put there. A nonbasic land that helps with our plans? Yes, please!

b. {Champion of the Parish} provides both a blessing and a dilemma. A blessing because he is strong and will win games for us. A dilemma because he costs like $4 right now. I think that he can be easily acquired (event deck, Innistrad rare) but I may end up cutting him.

c. The deck looks fun to play. I can’t wait to sacrifice humans to put +1/+1 counters on my creatures, destroy opposing creatures, and grind out that incremental advantage.

d. There are a lot of obvious inclusions to the deck that we’ll be adding.

So yeah; here are my results and the improvements that follow.

Game 1 - R/U Flashback

He gets out an early {Delver of Secrets}, but he doesn’t transform it. My first turn play is a {Lingering Souls}. I soon attack with them, and he trades with one using his flipped Delver. I then try a {Wakedancer} with morbid. I attack, then he goes down to 16. He soon plays a {Beguiler of Wills}, and with all of my low-power creatures, I know I’m in for a rough time.

I control my board, however, by casting a {Galvanic Juggernaut} and equipping a {Demonmail Hauberk} to it. Sacrificing excess creatures seems good in this deck. He tries to go aggro, with a {Runechanter’s Pike} equipped Delver. I charge with my 9/7 Juggernaut, then {Death’s Caress} the Delver to untap the ‘naut. His Beguiler ends up chumping my Juggernaut and dying. He then resigns, having no way to kill the ‘naut.

1-0 (1-0)

Game 2 - Valadin’s Neverending Depression

I get out a quick {Unruly Mob} with some {Falkenrath Torturer)s to back it up. He gets out some morbid and {Birthing Pod}. He makes a synergistic play:

sac {Ulvenwald Bear}, play {Undying Evil}.
Get out {Festerhide Boar}, enters battlefield as a 5/5, bear comes back with +1/+1 counter, make the Boar 7/7.

Yeah.

Wait. I manage to get my Mob to 5/5, and then I luck out a {Skirsdag Flayer}. He {Tragic Slip}s the Flayer (insert mad symbol), then attacks with his two Boars (one 7/7, one 5/5). I manage to trade with the 7/7 boar, but he still deals 5 scary damage to me with his other Boar and pods it into a {Vorapede}.

Me? All I manage to do is {Unburial Rites} the Flayer. He then {Tragic Slip}s the Flayer again (still inserts mad symbol). I concede.

1-1 (1-1)

Game 3 - Wally’s Green/Black Infect

My opponent starts the game off mana-screwed. I start the game off with an attacking 5/4 flying {Falkenrath Torturer}. He eventually goes down to 8, then 2. He tries to stall with a {Glissa, the Traitor}, but I sac a {Galvanic Juggernaut} for the win.

2-1 (2-1)

Wow, 2-1 for a precon! The previous deck I only got 1-2s. This is a sign that the deck is quite powerful off the box.

Time for me to meddle with it...

OUT: 1 {Wakedancer}
It’s just a weak card that we don’t really want to see in the deck. I prefer humans over zombies. If we don’t get morbid right, it’s a bad card. If we do get morbid, it’s mediocre (compare to {Blade Splicer}).

OUT: 2 {Night Terrors}
I had this card in hand every single game and didn’t cast it. Why? I wanted to use my mana for stuff that actually interacted with my gameplan, i.e. casting and saccing creatures.

OUT: 2 {Death’s Caress}
The good thing is, it’s removal. The bad thing is, it’s bad removal. 5 mana? We can do something much, much better than the Caress.

OUT: 2 {Village Cannibals}
The point is, I feel like the {Unruly Mob} is better because we’re not only sacrificing Humans, we’re sacrificing other stuff too, as shown in Game 3. I may change this later, however, if the deck becomes more Human-based.

OUT: 1 {Unburial Rites}
My big problem with Unburial Rites is that I’m using it to bring back creatures like {Falkenrath Torturer} and {Unruly Mob}. Point is, I’m not getting the full value out of this card. It’s out.

8 cards out! Let’s see what we do to the new slots.

IN: 4 {Tragic Slip}
The auto-include. Tragic Slip lets you get rid of small utility creatures as a base effect and kills basically everything with morbid. All at 1 mana.

IN: 1 {Gather the Townsfolk}
Once again, we need 4 copies. The Townsfolk provide easy human sacrifice as well as a game-winner if your back is on the edge.

IN: 2 {Skirsdag Flayer}
The Flayers are extremely useful. They got some bad luck on Game 2, but I’ll be happy to pay 4, sacrifice one of my Human tokens from Gather the Townsfolk, and kill an opposing creature.

IN: 1 {Galvanic Juggernaut}
I have been pleasantly surprised about the Juggernaut. It has a fat body we need to win games as well as basically having vigilance. Oh, and it only costs 4 mana. It’s great.

Here’s the new list:

Dark Sacrifice v.1.1
Lands
1 {Haunted Fengraf}
12 {Plains}
11 {Swamp}
Creatures
1 {Champion of the Parish}
1 {Disciple of Griselbrand}
2 {Doomed Traveler}
2 {Elder Cathar}
2 {Elguad Inquisitor}
3 {Falkenrath Torturer}
1 {Fiend of the Shadows}
3 {Galvanic Juggernaut}
1 {Mausoleum Guard}
1 {Selfless Cathar}
3 {Skirsdag Flayer}
2 {Unruly Mob}
Other Spells
2 {Altar’s Reap}
1 {Avacyn’s Collar}
1 {Demonmail Hauberk}
4 {Gather the Townsfolk}
1 {Gravepurge}
1 {Lingering Souls}
4 {Tragic Slip}



I’ll see you soon with new improvements and matchups. Feedback and suggestions please!
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: MaDeM MaD on February 18, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
Run it vs my grixis keeper?
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on February 18, 2012, 12:50:37 AM
Quote from: MaDeM MaD on February 18, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
Run it vs my grixis keeper?

Where's the decklist?
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: MaDeM MaD on February 18, 2012, 01:36:42 AM
In standard on pg2 I believe
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Grexis on February 18, 2012, 10:30:30 AM
Ah dark sacrifice is so much fun I love it 😃
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Wally on February 20, 2012, 05:46:00 PM
{Skirsdag High Priest} migh slot into this deck quite well. :)
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on February 26, 2012, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: Wally on February 20, 2012, 05:46:00 PM
{Skirsdag High Priest} migh slot into this deck quite well. :)
Indeed. I'll have to test it out soon.

I had a busy weekend. I may do this soon.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: MaDeM MaD on February 27, 2012, 12:21:20 AM
... Awww I was really hoping to see new results lol
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 02, 2012, 11:32:43 PM
I do wonder who unstickied this.

Erm, happening tonight.

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Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 03, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
2/3s done. Will finish up tomorrow.

Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Spikepit on March 03, 2012, 04:50:13 PM
👏👏👏
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 03, 2012, 06:02:59 PM
testing testing 123
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: MaDeM MaD on March 03, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
Nice
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker on March 03, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
We read you loud and clear.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 03, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker on March 03, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
We read you loud and clear.
Read my post in Help. Basically, I cannot post it. It comes up with "database error".
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Poof on March 07, 2012, 05:03:59 PM
I made this deck also I have two champions so I threw them in instead of another galvanic juggernaut.  I also had a promo ravenous demon along with two vault of the archangel so those go in. I took out disciple of griselband he just never does anything for me.  It still needs work though I'd like to see what you would do next.

The tragic slips are great as u can always activate morbidity but I still felt like I needed more removal.  I don't know about gravepurge I never have anything in the grave really worth bringing back although it did save me once by just drawing I pulled a gather the townsfolk when he had 5 creatures and I had 2 life I still lost though.  And elgaud inquisitor Should just be replaced by mausoleum guard.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Wally on March 07, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
I would swap the {champion of the parish} for {unruly mob} (possibly even find how to run 3 or 4?) I think they would build much quicker.
Also get your hands on one of those {Skirsdag high priests} then if you really need life you can sac some demon tokens to your {disciple of griselbrand} guy.
I also totally agree on the {vault of the archangel} lands.
Possibly even look for stuff with phyrexian mana so you can trigger fateful hour, before building your life back up with life link and sac creatures?

Interested to see how it's gone recently.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Poof on March 07, 2012, 09:22:56 PM
I do have 1 hex parasite but I don't have the high priest to make tokens so it'd be risky.  You might be right about the champion I found I had to chump block with him instead of the mob because the mob had the best chance of growing. 

Also more lingering souls would be a good idea I didn't realize there was only one in the deck they make good sacrifices for altars reap or sacrifice one and attach demonmail to the other.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 07, 2012, 11:29:23 PM
Y' know what, I give up. I'll just post the Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10VQSsxFum6uINOoHLaBn4kf8e3JVh6_MX4k4yRbFJvE/edit

Scroll down to bottom to see newest changes.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: MaDeM MaD on March 07, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
You almost got me, Sorin FTW
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Poof on March 07, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
In the report u got gravepurge and said just what u were looking for.  How did u use it it was an underwhelming card for me.  We did agree on inquisitor and disciple needing to be removed.  I was thinking the same about fiend of
The shadows.  Avacyns collar I don't think does enough altars reap has come in handy though.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 08, 2012, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: Poof on March 07, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
In the report u got gravepurge and said just what u were looking for.  How did u use it it was an underwhelming card for me.  We did agree on inquisitor and disciple needing to be removed.  I was thinking the same about fiend of
The shadows.  Avacyns collar I don't think does enough altars reap has come in handy though.
I most likely will remove Gravepurge, but it's just a fun card to look at. Remember that this deck is still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Poof on March 09, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
I got wrecked by my buddies human deck.  He was running white blue.  Champion of parish unruly mob and invisible stalker.  I had no answer for the stalker then he'd attach bonds of faith and or silver inlaid dagger.  Plus his elder cathar have to chump block without killing him else stalker gets 2 counters.  I think I'm gonna have to include a day of judgement or two
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Poof on March 14, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
I ended splashing a bit of red and threw in an aristocrat and Olivia I had laying around plus {thraben doomsayer}.  {falkenrath aristocrat} with the doomsayer is just amazing on the board together
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 15, 2012, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: Poof on March 14, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
I ended splashing a bit of red and threw in an aristocrat and Olivia I had laying around plus {thraben doomsayer}.  {falkenrath aristocrat} with the doomsayer is just amazing on the board together

The problem is that this deck would be strained if the deck has two colors.

Will be updated this this week.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Piotr on March 15, 2012, 04:15:28 AM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on March 02, 2012, 11:32:43 PMI do wonder who unstickied this.

Not me ;)
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 20, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
The Google Doc has been updated. :)
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Wally on March 20, 2012, 07:43:23 AM
Can't wait to see how it goes with the changes :)
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Wally on March 24, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
Have you thought about {ravenous demon} in this deck?
I'm currently building a deck around a couple of them and the rest of the deck looks quite similar.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 24, 2012, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Wally on March 24, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
Have you thought about {ravenous demon} in this deck?
I'm currently building a deck around a couple of them and the rest of the deck looks quite similar.
I have considered it, but {Galvanic Juggernaut} takes the cake as the fatty/wincon in the deck. I'll be looking to sub them out if they get too weak.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Mblitz on March 24, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Hey I currently have a reaper from the abyss and day of judgement what should I take out to put those in?
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 24, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: Mblitz on March 24, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Hey I currently have a reaper from the abyss and day of judgement what should I take out to put those in?
May I see your decklist?
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Mblitz on March 24, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
It's a standard dark sacrifice intro !
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on March 25, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: Mblitz on March 24, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Hey I currently have a reaper from the abyss and day of judgement what should I take out to put those in?
I would kill the two {Death's Caress}.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: loop-s-pool on March 30, 2012, 12:28:18 AM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on March 25, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: Mblitz on March 24, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Hey I currently have a reaper from the abyss and day of judgement what should I take out to put those in?
I would kill the two {Death's Caress}.
Psh, you're not into 5 drop sorcery speed kill spells? That's your problem. Jk
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on April 09, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
Ahh, sorry I haven't been doing this.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on May 08, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
I've decided to abandon this project.  Don't have time.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: BlackJester on May 10, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
I'm sorry to hear, but I understand. 
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 10, 2012, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on May 08, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
I've decided to abandon this project.  Don't have time.
NOES!!! T.T!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on May 12, 2012, 01:18:23 AM
Sorry. I may revive this if free time comes up but it's not very likely.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Prophylaxis on May 13, 2012, 03:40:25 AM
Quote from: Alex2911 on May 12, 2012, 06:06:48 AM
It's a shame that there is no red in the deck. {Falkenrath Aristocrat} would be awesome for a sacrifice deck.
{Thatcher's Revolt} too.
Title: Re: Evolving Precons - Dark Sacrifice
Post by: Mikemocapaldi1 on May 20, 2012, 07:52:34 PM
I have a deck just like this except i run {ravenous demon} because it comboes well wih the doomsayer