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Red Black Control(help please) 75 cards, 15 sideboard 4 {Blood Crypt} 4 {Dragonskull Summit} 16 {Swamp} 2 {Mountain} 26 lands 4 {Vampire Nighthawk} 2 {Olivia voldaren} 4 {Griselbrand} 4 {Crypt Ghast} 16 creatures 2 {tragic slip} 4 {mutilate} 3 {Sign in Blood} 2 {rakdos keyrune} 4 {Dreadbore} 2 {rakdos return} 1 {staff of nin} 2 {devour flesh} 18 other spells Sideboard 4 {Mutilate} 2 {Pithing Needle} 3 {Olivia Voldaren} 2 {Duress} 2 {Liliana of the Veil} 2 {Devour Flesh} 15 sideboard cards Notes: Looking to construct this for FNM! Would love some help(:

Looks a lot like Conley woods mono blac control list is that what inspired you? If not i would check it out but maybe a {staff of nin}

I honestly have no idea, it's a spin off my friends deck. He's a turd so he probably copied it off the Internet though, so yeah it could be whoever that guys deck kinda. Why {staff of nin}? I'm not really a fan of that card, it seems wasteful to me

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 20, 2013, 12:20:22 AM
I honestly have no idea, it's a spin off my friends deck. He's a turd so he probably copied it off the Internet though, so yeah it could be whoever that guys deck kinda. Why {staff of nin}? I'm not really a fan of that card, it seems wasteful to me

It's a AMAZING CARD!!! draw to cards a turn deals damage each turn and can kill little one ones or make your 2/2kill a 3/3 with crypt ghats out its easy to cast and in control ou need card draw I would not put in more than one maybe take our a slaughter or it ?

 {Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

I'm sorry I don't understand

Quote from: MtgRebel on March 20, 2013, 12:50:57 AM

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

I'm sorry I don't understand

Stables for black red decks

Oh

I agree with rebel, idk what the purpose of those is

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 20, 2013, 01:31:46 AM
I agree with rebel, idk what the purpose of those is

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Well, Olivia is just a house on her own.

She manhandles a lot of decks. Devour flesh is a lifesaver. Say you just built Olivia up to a 5/5 or 6/6 and then they murder her, well with devour flesh, you can answer by destroying Olivia but gaining 5 or 6 life and thus coming out on top of the exchange.

Tragic slip answers indestructible so easily. And keyrune is a ramp or a first striker and first strike is a very underlooked ability.

Key rune has lost power in this set due to {boros reckoner} and the meta being so fast/big.

It's still ramp for red/black. Which is huge.

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

These are all great. The keyrune will help all game. Providing ramp and a great blocker. If you're blocking Reckoner with the keyrune you're doing it wrong. Tragic slip, victim, devor flesh, and mutilate are meant to handle him. So main board those mutilates! Also 4 grisle is too much. I know the idea is a to play one early off of ghast, but it will be seen miles away and ghast will die the moment you play him. You don't want to rely heavily on him.

Quote from: Bapr on March 20, 2013, 08:08:31 AM

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

These are all great. The keyrune will help all game. Providing ramp and a great blocker. If you're blocking Reckoner with the keyrune you're doing it wrong. Tragic slip, victim, devor flesh, and mutilate are meant to handle him. So main board those mutilates! Also 4 grisle is too much. I know the idea is a to play one early off of ghast, but it will be seen miles away and ghast will die the moment you play him. You don't want to rely heavily on him.

Hmmm..I like your input, any suggestions on how the deck should run?

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 20, 2013, 08:44:58 AM

Quote from: Bapr on March 20, 2013, 08:08:31 AM

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

These are all great. The keyrune will help all game. Providing ramp and a great blocker. If you're blocking Reckoner with the keyrune you're doing it wrong. Tragic slip, victim, devor flesh, and mutilate are meant to handle him. So main board those mutilates! Also 4 grisle is too much. I know the idea is a to play one early off of ghast, but it will be seen miles away and ghast will die the moment you play him. You don't want to rely heavily on him.

Hmmm..I like your input, any suggestions on how the deck should run?

Stabilize the board with removal and   {Olivia Voldaren} then either  {Griselbrand} or  {Rakdos's Return} them to death.  {Olivia Voldaren} can even finish your opponent

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 08:48:43 AM

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 20, 2013, 08:44:58 AM

Quote from: Bapr on March 20, 2013, 08:08:31 AM

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
{Tragic Slip},  {Devour Flesh}, and  {Olivia Voldaren} also the  {Rakdos Keyrune}

These are all great. The keyrune will help all game. Providing ramp and a great blocker. If you're blocking Reckoner with the keyrune you're doing it wrong. Tragic slip, victim, devor flesh, and mutilate are meant to handle him. So main board those mutilates! Also 4 grisle is too much. I know the idea is a to play one early off of ghast, but it will be seen miles away and ghast will die the moment you play him. You don't want to rely heavily on him.

Hmmm..I like your input, any suggestions on how the deck should run?

Stabilize the board with removal and   {Olivia Voldaren} then either  {Griselbrand} or  {Rakdos's Return} them to death.  {Olivia Voldaren} can even finish your opponent

I suggest running a 2-2 split of {Griselbrand} and {Lord of the Void}. Then you can essentially have 2 Grisel's in play at the same time. Mine runs a little differently, but {Lord of the Void} is a powerhouse dude, he lives through {Mutilate} easily if you do it right, and he's slightly nicer on the mana.

I've been HEAVILY debating whether or not to run {Sever the Bloodline} in the sideboard for Reanimator or Zombies, {Gravecrawler} just kinda laughs at all the removal this deck sports. Also, idk about mainboard {Slaughter Games}, seems like a dead draw game 1.

First things first, 4 {Mutilate} mainboard, period. The meta demands it.

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 20, 2013, 09:25:51 AM
First things first, 4 {Mutilate} mainboard, period. The meta demands it.

Very true!!

Quote from: MtgRebel on March 20, 2013, 10:31:49 AM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 20, 2013, 09:25:51 AM
First things first, 4 {Mutilate} mainboard, period. The meta demands it.

Very true!!

Yeah get those in there. You don't need the slaughter games unless you know what your playing against before hand, like against your friend, so sideboard them. If your meta isn't heavy on turning dudes sideways you can even sideboard the surgeons.

You want to play this deck drawgo in the early game. You're hoping for them to over extend by turn four so you can drop a mutilate and start your game. All your cards need to be must answers but like I said you don't want to rely heavily on grisle. Those ghast have huge targets on there heads and you don't want hands with multiple grisle and no way to cast them is ghast died.

Okay, so I'm looking to just control until turn 4 and then play creatures then. Using mutilate to keep the board clean

Turn 4 slam a {mutilate} against hyper aggresive decks turn 5 {crypt ghast} turn 6 {grisselbrand} "pause dramatically smile and wait for a response if there is none you have won the game :)

Quote from: MtgRebel on March 20, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Turn 4 slam a {mutilate} against hyper aggresive decks turn 5 {crypt ghast} turn 6 {grisselbrand} "pause dramatically smile and wait for a response if there is none you have won the game :)

Haha yeah in a perfect magic world(;

Updated

The keyrune also hits {thragtusk}, which is still very much a thing

Quote from: Guypocolypse on March 20, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
The keyrune also hits {thragtusk}, which is still very much a thing

Good point

I personally think you need more {Sign in Blood}

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 21, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
I personally think you need more {Sign in Blood}

What should I take out for it?

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 21, 2013, 07:50:42 AM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 21, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
I personally think you need more {Sign in Blood}

What should I take out for it?

You could do a 3-3 split with  {Mutilate}

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 21, 2013, 09:30:42 AM

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 21, 2013, 07:50:42 AM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 21, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
I personally think you need more {Sign in Blood}

What should I take out for it?

You could do a 3-3 split with  {Mutilate}

You always want your board wipes available to you. I'd honestly drop an Olivia. She legendary and won't do you much good when ones already on the field.

Quote from: Bman0121 on March 21, 2013, 09:30:42 AM

Quote from: Boyesrobert on March 21, 2013, 07:50:42 AM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 21, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
I personally think you need more {Sign in Blood}

What should I take out for it?

You could do a 3-3 split with  {Mutilate}

No, 4 {Mutilate}, no exceptions. It is needed.