I need some clarification on the amount of life that it lifelinked during combat. Say I have {griselbrand} and my opponent has a 1/1 bird (for explanation purposes). If I swing and he blocks, do I gain 1 life, or 7?
Someone at my LCS said that I would only gain one because he does not have trample, is this a true statement?
It's actually the opposite. If he had trample, he would deal only 1 damage, and the rest would go to your life. Since he doesn't, all damage is assigned to the bird, and you gain the full amount (in this case, 7).
Okay. So no matter the defense of the creature, a lifelink attack will result in full life gain of the power of the attacker.
I was unsure because I learned about the {boros reckoner} trick with being dealt extra damage and thought it woul have been a contradiction of sort to the lifelink rule. Obviously the "experts" at my local shop need some help.
Keep in mind, if they have trample, it's different. They only assign lethal damage to the creature, the leftover goes elsewhere.
It could be, and I hope it's not the case, that they're trying to pull the whool over your eyes. It's unfortunate, but it happens more often than I like. And what {Boros Reckoner} trick are you referring to?
Quote from: Keyeto on March 19, 2013, 11:52:35 PM
Keep in mind, if they have trample, it's different. They only assign lethal damage to the creature, the leftover goes elsewhere.
But you still get the full powers worth of life.
Just reading responses it looked like that needed clarification. Trample or not, if a creature has lifelink, attacks, and deals damage, you gain that much life.
To clarify, can you explain why trample would have a different effect as it relates to lifelink?
For {boros reckoner} I am referring to assigning damage with something like {blasphemous act} dealing 13 damage, then assigning that 13 to target player.
Because I was under the impression with lifelink that you would only gain as much as the toughness of the blocker(s), I thought that the {boros reckoner} damage dealing was quite a contradiction.
Hays is correct, as far as lifelink goes, trample doesn't effect how much you gain. It would, however, effect how much damage is dealt to the creature (only important in cases like {Boros Reckoner}). Which is why I asked about the Reckoner, just making sure that wasn't explained to you incorrectly.
Quote from: Jlamb5 on March 19, 2013, 11:59:44 PM
To clarify, can you explain why trample would have a different effect as it relates to lifelink?
For {boros reckoner} I am referring to assigning damage with something like {blasphemous act} dealing 13 damage, then assigning that 13 to target player.
Because I was under the impression with lifelink that you would only gain as much as the toughness of the blocker(s), I thought that the {boros reckoner} damage dealing was quite a contradiction.
Ah I see.
Lifelink is whatever the creatures power is. So 1/1 with lifelink against 10/10, lifelink gives you one life. 10/10 with lifelink against 1/1, lifelink gives you ten life. No idea what trample has to do with it. Probably Keyeto is just reminding that normal damage rules apply with regards to trample? Either way, whatever the power is, you gain that life.
Boros Reckoner, doesn't matter how much damage is dealt to him, 2, 5, 13, 1748, doesn't matter. That much damage can be redirected to opponents face if you like. His ability doesn't care about lifelink, trample etc
Rule 119.3f
Damage dealt by a source with lifelink causes that sources controller to gain "that much" life, in addition to the damage's other results.
Regardless of any blocking creatures toughness, when X damage is dealt by a lifelink creature, X life is gained by its controller.
Quote from: Keyeto on March 20, 2013, 12:03:11 AM
Hays is correct, as far as lifelink goes, trample doesn't effect how much you gain. It would, however, effect how much damage is dealt to the creature (only important in cases like {Boros Reckoner}). Which is why I asked about the Reckoner, just making sure that wasn't explained to you incorrectly.
Really? Thought with trample you had the choice to deal lethal and the rest to face
{Boros reckoner} redirects the 13 damage from {blasphemous act}. If it has lifelink, you gain life from the damage dealt (even if it deals it to itself)
Sorry about the trample being brought up. Let me clarify why I mentioned it. He had brought up damage assignment, and I got all excited lol. I just wanted to make sure that he didn't get the damage assignment thing mixed up, since he brought up the Reckoner. If the people at his LGS had mislead him about lifelink, I was wondering if they did so about Reckoner's ability. I was being a bit preemptive, and trying to kill two birds with one stone. It appears it wasn't necessary though. Trample will not effect how much life you gain by lifelink. Sorry for the confusion.
An in response to Hays, yes, you have a choice. But hardly so when fighting the Reckoner, unless you want to get hurt more!
Quote from: Keyeto on March 20, 2013, 12:11:50 AM
Sorry about the trample being brought up. Let me clarify why I mentioned it. He had brought up damage assignment, and I got all excited lol. I just wanted to make sure that he didn't get the damage assignment thing mixed up, since he brought up the Reckoner. If the people at his LGS had mislead him about lifelink, I was wondering if they did so about Reckoner's ability. I was being a bit preemptive, and trying to kill two birds with one stone. It appears it wasn't necessary though. Trample will not effect how much life you gain by lifelink. Sorry for the confusion.
Lol yea took me a few reads then it all totally clicked with what all 3 of us are saying. We're all right, just about different things lol
Doublestrike, however will. How does banding effect lifelink? My brain hurts just asking the question...
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 20, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Doublestrike, however will. How does banding effect lifelink? My brain hurts just asking the question...
I hope you get a headache...
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 20, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Doublestrike, however will. How does banding effect lifelink? My brain hurts just asking the question...
Making me answer a question about banding.....
Banding simply (lol) makes them blocked as a group and changes who assigns the combat damage to what. All combat damage is still assigned, so lifelink won't be changed.
Lol sorry, it won't happen again lol
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 20, 2013, 12:17:58 AM
Lol sorry, it won't happen again lol
You know I love answering Rules questions, just don't abuse that power haha
And score 1 for Keyeto, for totally keeping the rules section simple, and definitely not overcomplicating answers with unneeded mechanics!
Edit: And by mechanics, I apparently mean keyword abilities. That is all.
I refer you to my avatar?
Quote from: Hays413 on March 20, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 20, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Doublestrike, however will. How does banding effect lifelink? My brain hurts just asking the question...
I hope you get a headache...
This comment goes perfectly with your picture of Frye!!! Hilarious.
I always thought you would have gained one life (using your example), but my views changed since I played Duel of the Planeswalkers with {Wurmcoil Engine} and Tezzeret Kept gaining six life, made me rethink lifelink.