If I have a {havengul lich} and a {mycosynth lattice} in an edh game, would I be potentially able to cast creatures from my opponents graves, even if they use colors I can't generate? This is to make sure, I'm pretty sure it is good though
Absolutely! Everything not in play becomes colorless, including cards in the graveyard.
Edit: Scotch brought up a good point. The most important thing here, is that "You can spend mana as if it were mana if any color." Because of that, you could cast an opponents green creature, even if its outside if your color identity! It would let you spend your {U} and {B} mana (or whatever colors you're using) as if it were {G} (or any other color, I'm just sticking to the example I gave).
Yep. Pretty much. I always try to have a {Prophetic Prism} it's cheaper for a mill or a destroy deck.
Yes, you sure can! Lattice is super fun for getting around that pesky EDH mana rule.
In short, yes.
You can still only make mana the same colours of you commander, but now that those cards are colour-less, you should have no problems casting them
Quote from: The1337Magician on March 19, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
Yep. Pretty much. I always try to have a {Prophetic Prism} it's cheaper for a mill or a destroy deck.
The point he's trying to make is for EDH, however. In that format, you are unable to produce any color mana that's outside of your commander's color identity. {Mycosynth Lattice} nullifies this problem, making everything colorless, so you don't have to worry about the color of the creature you're castings
Ah. I forgot about that tidbit of information. I thought that the deck was just limited to your colors.
Wait a minute. Just becaus something is colourless or an artifact doesn't mean it's casting cost changes. {ball lightning} for example. Is it an artifact with the lattice in play, yes, but its casting cost is still {R}{R}{R}. I guess the wording on the lattice it what I'm having a hard time getting around. I was under the impression that CAN'T supersedes CAN, and EDH states that if you make a mana of any colour outside your commander's colour identity, colourless mana is made instead. So how would you cast a {R}{R}{R} creature if you were playing, for example, mono black? Any mana made that isn't black would be colourless and therefore not meet the casting cost requirement. Clarification, please...
"Players may spend mana as though it were mana of any color"
I know that's what it says, but again, the format rules say you can't make mana outside your commanders colour identity and is colourless instead. What happened to CANT superseding CAN?
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 19, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
I know that's what it says, but again, the format rules say you can't make mana outside your commanders colour identity and is colourless instead. What happened to CANT superseding CAN?
You don't need to produce red mana (sticking with your example). You can add black mana to your mana pool, and spend it as if it were red mana, letting you cast it. You don't add anything outside of your color identity, and still get to cast it.
Ok then. Thanks. I strongly disagree with the ruling, but if that's the rules... Just seems like its an affront to the the format rules. Thanks for clarifying, keyeto!
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 19, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Ok then. Thanks. I strongly disagree with the ruling, but if that's the rules... Just seems like its an affront to the the format rules. Thanks for clarifying, keyeto!
No problem, scotch! You did being up a good point though, I'll modify my original post to make it more clear on that issue.
Of course! As far as my knowledge goes, you can't have cards that are different color than your general in your deck.
Thanks you guys! Ill just be careful about my wording when I use the combo but I'm glad to know it works out well
Oh Karn...why did you make a plane designed to break the game in so many different ways.