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Any Chance For Standard Tfog?? 75 cards, 15 sideboard 1 {Alchemist's Refuge} 4 {Temple Garden} 4 {Hinterland Harbor} 4 {Sunpetal Grove} 4 {Breeding Pool} 4 {Glacial Fortress} 4 {Hallowed Fountain} 25 lands 2 {Gideon, Champion of Justice} 2 {Blind Obedience} 3 {Safe Passage} 2 {Clinging Mists} 3 {Jace, Architect of Thought} 3 {Supreme Verdict} 2 {Garruk, Primal Hunter} 3 {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} 3 {Farseek} 3 {Sphinx's Revelation} 2 {Terminus} 4 {Fog} 2 {Psychic Spiral} 1 {Urban Evolution} 35 other spells Sideboard 4 {Negate} 2 {Dispel} 1 {Psychic Spiral} 3 {Witchbane Orb} 1 {Eliixir of Immortality} 1 {Terminus} 1 {Gideon, Champion of Justice} 2 {Jace, Memory Adept} 15 sideboard cards Notes: Kinda wanting to go with turbo fog in standard.  What's everyone think?

That looks a really solid build man, and fun to play with! Why the lone forest?

Quote from: Mike_garzone on March 10, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
That looks a really solid build man, and fun to play with! Why the lone forest?

Wanted 25 lands and it's kinda a placeholder until I decide what else to use.  Not a whole lot I could use, but I'm {ponder}ing {Alchemist's Refuge}

 {Nephalia Drownyard}?

Ahh apologies thought it was blue white not black  blue!

 {Reliquary Tower} instead of forest?

Quote from: Mike_garzone on March 10, 2013, 10:53:40 PM
Ahh apologies thought it was blue white not black  blue!

Man, I wish it was!! 

Quote from: Pete on March 10, 2013, 11:02:17 PM
{Reliquary Tower} instead of forest?

That's something I'll think about.  Thanks for the suggestion!

Hopefully we'll be seeing some nice new shock lands in dragons maze, maybe you'll find something there!

As an experienced tfog player I have two very important words of advise.
{blind obediance} is a must. The extort on fog spells serves as a win con and pads your life. As well as cancelling haste which is the biggest issue for fog decks.
DO NOT run the tower. No max hand size means no end of turn discard which means no graveyard to shuffle back which means your accelerated card draw will wind up milling you.

I would drop the  {Jace, Memory Adept} and  {Gideon, Champion of Justice} to play 3  {Blind Obedience} and try to find a way for 2  {Jace, Architect of Thought}

Oh wow, I didn't even think of {Blind Obedience}!  Thanks! 

I'm kinda split on the Jaces though.  {Jace, Architect of Thought} is a better draw, but {Jace, Memory Adept} is a win con, or at least accelerates the win. 

Youre fog you dont actually need a wincon. The original intent for Tfog was to win game one through very slow mill and then draw game two before their sideboard cards become relevant. The biggest thing is you want recyclable cards, what they are will very from player to player, but if you can recylce it then you run the risk of stagnating something important like a revelation or walker. For this reason I dont run anything easily exilable (5 power dudes in this format) as well as a 1 or 2 of {bramble crush} as a non discriminating answer to o-ring, walkers, etc. It's also super mean to crush their shockland t3 after a t2 {farseek} and watch their land enter tapped as well as be behind a turn. 

Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 11, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Youre fog you dont actually need a wincon. The original intent for Tfog was to win game one through very slow mill and then draw game two before their sideboard cards become relevant. The biggest thing is you want recyclable cards, what they are will very from player to player, but if you can recylce it then you run the risk of stagnating something important like a revelation or walker. For this reason I dont run anything easily exilable (5 power dudes in this format) as well as a 1 or 2 of {bramble crush} as a non discriminating answer to o-ring, walkers, etc. It's also super mean to crush their shockland t3 after a t2 {farseek} and watch their land enter tapped as well as be behind a turn.

Oh I know its supposed to just grind them out, but I'm just trying to make it go a little faster so it won't take a really long time for each game.  I like {Jace, Memory Adept} because he gives mediocre draw, and expedite the milling on them.  I understand why draw is super super important and how {Jace, Architect of Thought} is better in that regard, but is it worth slowing down the game a bit? 

I was wondering about {Bramblecrush}.  I'll think I'll throw a couple in. 

Wait fog not take super long? I dont undersrand. The only fast matches ive seen is where the opponent is smart and scoops when you stabalize if theyre playing aggro.

Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 11, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
Wait fog not take super long? I dont undersrand. The only fast matches ive seen is where the opponent is smart and scoops when you stabalize if theyre playing aggro.

Lol I'm not saying make an aggro tfog, just speed it up a little bit for if I have a game that is pressed for time :P

Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 11, 2013, 03:56:47 AM
As an experienced tfog player I have two very important words of advise.
{blind obediance} is a must. The extort on fog spells serves as a win con and pads your life. As well as cancelling haste which is the biggest issue for fog decks.
DO NOT run the tower. No max hand size means no end of turn discard which means no graveyard to shuffle back which means your accelerated card draw will wind up milling you.

I totaly agree here... I play succesfuly Superfriends Fog last few weeks and  {Blind Obedience} is really must... And not only bcs of extort and anti-haste effects, but also helps drawing by Tamiyo...;)

I posted deck I play now...;) It is adjusted Coffe's Fog... Tweaked a little...;)

Deck's named Superfriends Fog

Ok, updated it a bit.

Only one more thing  {Safe Passage} and  {Druid's Deliverance} will not protect ur Plabeswalkers... Unfortunately... I would rather play  {Clinging Mists},  {Moonmist} or  {Terrifying Presence}...;)

Quote from: whitedrake on March 12, 2013, 07:35:48 AM
Only one more thing  {Safe Passage} and  {Druid's Deliverance} will not protect ur Plabeswalkers... Unfortunately... I would rather play  {Clinging Mists},  {Moonmist} or  {Terrifying Presence}...;)

Ah, good catch. I wasnt even thinking about covering my planeswalkers. I was just thinking of bonfire effects or things like {Boros Charm}  Thanks :)

Updated a bit more

Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 11, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Youre fog you dont actually need a wincon. The original intent for Tfog was to win game one through very slow mill and then draw game two before their sideboard cards become relevant. The biggest thing is you want recyclable cards, what they are will very from player to player, but if you can recylce it then you run the risk of stagnating something important like a revelation or walker. For this reason I dont run anything easily exilable (5 power dudes in this format) as well as a 1 or 2 of {bramble crush} as a non discriminating answer to o-ring, walkers, etc. It's also super mean to crush their shockland t3 after a t2 {farseek} and watch their land enter tapped as well as be behind a turn.

Yeah, fog doesnt actually hve a wincon ;) the game ends when your opponents get so bored they leave the table and forgeit the game ;)

Quote from: Silent1236 on March 11, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
Oh wow, I didn't even think of {Blind Obedience}!  Thanks! 

I'm kinda split on the Jaces though.  {Jace, Architect of Thought} is a better draw, but {Jace, Memory Adept} is a win con, or at least accelerates the win.

I'd say  {Jace, Architect of Thought} because it can help with the Aggro haste decks out there a bit.

Yeah, I went ahead and used AoT main deck