Okay, my opponent blocked my ghoul tree with 2 creatures one of which had deathtouch, and blocked with the deathtouch creature first, and he said the other creature would live. Is this correct?
Depends completely on the other creatures toughness. You all assign damage, then damage is dealt simultaneously (unless the death toucher had first or double strike) so unless the other creature has enough toughness to live past the damage you assigned it, no, it would die too.
I believe it might be good to mention that you, being the attacker, get to decide the order of the blockers. Not your opponent.
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Quote from: NexisPrime on March 05, 2013, 11:34:17 PM
I believe it might be good to mention that you, being the attacker, get to decide the order of the blockers. Not your opponent.
Wait, what? I thought it was the other way around.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on March 06, 2013, 01:26:45 AM
Quote from: NexisPrime on March 05, 2013, 11:34:17 PM
I believe it might be good to mention that you, being the attacker, get to decide the order of the blockers. Not your opponent.
Wait, what? I thought it was the other way around.
Nope, you're the one swing the hammer, your opponent doesnt get to shout orders at your dude about who they'd like your dude to hit.
You can definitely assign the damage of your attacker. If we were to replay this scenario and I was your opponent, it would probably be better to a have "any creature assigned to BLOCK or is BLOCKED by {that creature that has this ability} is destroyed" and a fog effect; if this was the case, your tree would be dead & both of his creatures would be alive.
Also if you attacked him with the 10/10 why didn't he just let his death touch creature die instead of having both die? He would have killed your tree and had a creature to spare.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on March 06, 2013, 04:29:27 AM
You can definitely assign the damage of your attacker. If we were to replay this scenario and I was your opponent, it would probably be better to a have "any creature assigned to BLOCK or is BLOCKED by {that creature that has this ability} is destroyed" and a fog effect; if this was the case, your tree would be dead & both of his creatures would be alive.
Also if you attacked him with the 10/10 why didn't he just let his death touch creature die instead of having both die? He would have killed your tree and had a creature to spare.
No. Firstly for the original post:
You declare your {Ghoul Tree} as an attacker.
Your opponent assigns two creatures to block, one of which has deathtouch.
Then, in your scenario, combat damage is dealt simultaneously, but you as the attacker decide how much damage of the 10 the tree can deal is dealt to which creature. Your opponent DOES NOT decide how much damage is dealt to his creatures.
Assuming the defending creatures' combined toughness is 10 or less, (and you assigned the damage properly), all creatures in the particular combat phase die.
Secondly, playing {Fog} prevents all damage that turn. Thus, aside from one scenario I will outline below, no damage is dealt and no creature does regardless of deathtouch. Deathtouch creatures MUST deal any amount of damage more than 0 to work.
The scenario I can think of where you can freely deathtouch and fog, having your creatures live is with {Glissa, The Traitor}.
First Strike.
After first strike damage is dealt, cast fog. All damage hence forth is prevented. Glissa lives and that defending creature is dead.
It was golgari keyrune, and corpsejack
Really. I thought you could only select which creature you would deal damage to unless it had trample...
So what your saying is, if my 12/12 is blocked by 12 1/1's I can choose to deal them each one and kill them all?
Is this correct?
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on March 06, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Really. I thought you could only select which creature you would deal damage to unless it had trample...
So what your saying is, if my 12/12 is blocked by 12 1/1's I can choose to deal them each one and kill them all?
Is this correct?
In this case, yes, your 12/12 would kill all those little 1/1's. your 12/12 also dies. Assuming ofcourse they're all "vanilla" creatures.
Quote from: Testset on March 06, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on March 06, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
It was {Golgari Keyrune}, and {Corpsejack Menace}
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You assign lethal damage to the first one and then may assign the rest to the other.
Say you decide to assign to the {Golgari Keyrune} first: you assign a minimum of 2 damage to it. Now that it has been assigned lethal damage, you may assign the other 8 to the {Corpsejack Menace}, if you like.
You don't have to, though. You could assign 5 to the Keyrune and 5 to the Menace, or 10 to the Keyrune and 0 to the Menace.
I know about the curlies, I'll be honest, I was sleepy and lazy when I posted these.
Unless the blocking creatures have banding of course! 😲
And yet again, thanks to iMtG and clarification of rulings, my mind is blown. Thanks testset!
Quote from: Hays413 on March 06, 2013, 08:34:13 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on March 06, 2013, 04:29:27 AM
You can definitely assign the damage of your attacker. If we were to replay this scenario and I was your opponent, it would probably be better to a have "any creature assigned to BLOCK or is BLOCKED by {that creature that has this ability} is destroyed" and a fog effect; if this was the case, your tree would be dead & both of his creatures would be alive.
Also if you attacked him with the 10/10 why didn't he just let his death touch creature die instead of having both die? He would have killed your tree and had a creature to spare.
Secondly, playing {Fog} prevents all damage that turn. Thus, aside from one scenario I will outline below, no damage is dealt and no creature does regardless of deathtouch. Deathtouch creatures MUST deal any amount of damage more than 0 to work.
The scenario I can think of where you can freely deathtouch and fog, having your creatures live is with {Glissa, The Traitor}.
First Strike.
After first strike damage is dealt, cast fog. All damage hence forth is prevented. Glissa lives and that defending creature is dead.
In my scenario I refer to creatures that do not have death touch, but have abilities that activate when blocked. Such as {cockatrice}
No death touch on the creature, but a block/blocked scenario
This is where {fog} would work
Quote from: Testset on March 06, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
Anytime, Scotch. 😉
This thread, however, is starting to venture into other territory (it's actually now 2 pages long), thus losing the concise and specific nature that the Rules forum needs.
For that reason, I ask that everyone stop posting further comments.
Can do, no problems. No more comments.
Sorry I had to.