I remembered Coffee today so much...:D I have played his Superfriends Fog on "new Cockatrice" server and met a douche who started to criticise deck from third turn when I had 3 lands and {Elixir of Immortality} in play. Saying that I play deck that was played 5 monts ago and that he wants to face only real decks...:D I did not believe what he wrote... Then I told him that I play gtc cards as well and casted gideon and he commented that ok I play old deck with new trash cards... :D
After few rounds he left in the moment when I casted verdict after few rounds of fogging and growing gideon and Tamiyo...:D
With words I'll leave u in ur world my deck is designed for my meta not for trash decks...
Cannot believe that people like that are part of community.. I always thought that magic players are merry fellows who want to enjoy time with their popular game...;)
I know that nothing from this is really interesting but simply still cannot absorb the fact that some guy treats other like he is the best and u r trash...
Sorry for this weird post...:D
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D00shes exist everywhere. Unfortunately Magic isnt invincible and is also subject to it.
Once I was playtesting a deck that revolved around {switcheroo}, {stuffy doll}, {street spasm} and tons of mana dorks. The person played The Top Three (thrag, thundermaw, resto at the time) turn after turn and proceeded to be condescending and ask me what the point of my deck was. I asked him what the point of net decking was. He promptly left the match after I asked that.
Mhmmm maybe it is bcs of my nature... That I think that the games are for fun and do not take it so seriously...:D
Quote from: whitedrake on February 28, 2013, 01:48:20 PM
Mhmmm maybe it is bcs of my nature... That I think that the games are for fun and do not take it so seriously...:D
Im the same way. Which is why I always play wonky homebrews, even if I know they're going to get stomped.
My LGS is full of them. These snobby little kids come in and give attitude and are just down right rude. I was playing in a draft and I had just passed. So I look to my right and there were two piles of cards, one was his deck, one was the next hand to look at. This kid couldn't have been more than 12 years old. I asked him "which pile is yours? I didn't see where you placed it down". He remarks "idiot it's right here. F***ing dumbass". Now, being a civilized adult, I just looked at him and said "was that really necessary?" His response: "was that really necessary" in a mimicking tone. At that point I ignored him, but what the hell? I was more than 3 times his size that little snot nosed brat. The nerve of some kids. I blame the parents.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on February 28, 2013, 01:48:20 PM
Mhmmm maybe it is bcs of my nature... That I think that the games are for fun and do not take it so seriously...:D
Im the same way. Which is why I always play wonky homebrews, even if I know they're going to get stomped.
Same here. I just can't stand when 70% of a format is the same deck, or when people win GPs and PTs with other people's decklists. I suppose it's because I'm a Johnny, and use decks as a form of art in a sense... It's like tracing the Mona Lisa and saying you're great at painting. Still, there's no other way for me to test my decks online, so I just try to bear it.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on February 28, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
My LGS is full of them. These snobby little kids come in and give attitude and are just down right rude. I was playing in a draft and I had just passed. So I look to my right and there were two piles of cards, one was his deck, one was the next hand to look at. This kid couldn't have been more than 12 years old. I asked him "which pile is yours? I didn't see where you placed it down". He remarks "idiot it's right here. F***ing dumbass". Now, being a civilized adult, I just looked at him and said "was that really necessary?" His response: "was that really necessary" in a mimicking tone. At that point I ignored him, but what the hell? I was more than 3 times his size that little snot nosed brat. The nerve of some kids. I blame the parents.
kids are too spoiled. jesus i'm 17 and saying that! these young kids who come to the shop with their 300-400 dollar decks and snobbery really need to get a better attitude. I remember when i started playing.. my parents gave me 20 bucks to play in a draft every once in awhile and occasionally 30 to play in a prerelease.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on February 28, 2013, 04:06:38 PMI blame the parents.
I blame society. In the good normal times you would simply spank the kid, and a valuable lesson would be given. Now, you would get arrested for that.
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mon that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
HOPEFULLY
That's what we're trying right now, and it obviously doesn't work.
Organs need to be trained with external input, and punishment is such an input.
Personally i like the douche bags who haggle me for my card prices and then tell me they can get this on eBay for much less.
Go buy it on eBay. Supply and demand. You have no cards I need, you are rude to me and you expect me to drop everything I'm doing for $7.75 because your mom/bus can only operate at certain times? No thank you.
I know most of you go by avg price, but what's the point of quoting a high end price if it's never used? I personally prefer to get rid of several items at once, that way I can use the avg price, but for a single? I might as well hold onto my shock lands that are jumping in value rather than collect 11.43 and the guy is busting my balls still when I stand by my position.
Also, nothing is safe from douchers
I think Magic is fine right now. It is fine if Spikes buy 400 dollar net decks. If that is how they get enjoyment (by winning, not building), how is it different from buying an event deck? I think that there are always douchbags. Give a douchbag money and his true self will be more evident. But I don't think it has anything to do with the johny/spike raito...johnys can also be douchbags. Like when they lose to a netdeck, they call the spike "uncreative", which may not be true. I think parenting is the biggest factor. If you raise a kid well, and give him stuff in moderation, he will grow older to be less of a douchbag...whether he likes building his decks or buying them online.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on February 28, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
I think Magic is fine right now. It is fine if Spikes buy 400 dollar net decks. If that is how they get enjoyment (by winning, not building), how is it different from buying an event deck? I think that there are always douchbags. Give a douchbag money and his true self will be more evident. But I don't think it has anything to do with the johny/spike raito...johnys can also be douchbags. Like when they lose to a netdeck, they call the spike "uncreative", which may not be true. I think parenting is the biggest factor. If you raise a kid well, and give him stuff in moderation, he will grow older to be less of a douchbag...whether he likes building his decks or buying them online.
I agree, and in my case, I only made the net decking comment because they criticized mine for no reason other than they were stomping it. Net decking is fine and it has its place in Magic, but if you go on the offensive about my homebrew and aren't giving constructive criticism about it, then I reserve the right to bash your net deck.
Quote from: Piotr on February 28, 2013, 04:59:54 PM
That's what we're trying right now, and it obviously doesn't work.
Organs need to be trained with external input, and punishment is such an input.
I agree 100% that punishment is needed. Unpunished kids make bad adults. My comment wasnt directed at you. It was towards people that jump on the offensive and criticize kids for being young and having bad attitudes and being dumb. Kids are dumb. Not in the intellectual sense, but in the sense that they make bad choices and don't weigh the consequences, such as having an attitude towards someone for no apparent reason. Which goes back to the fact that their brains aren't fully developed. That where we, as adults and parents, step in and help guide them towards a more acceptable behavior, instead of using the typical "pfft, kids are snobby little brats not worth my time" condescension.
With that said, keep in mind that im around high school kids eight hours a day, five days a week, so ive learned to accept the nature of the adolescent beast.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
As a teacher, I've realized they never grow out of it haha.
Quote from: Quisequise on February 28, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
As a teacher, I've realized they never grow out of it haha.
As a fellow teacher, it is our jobs to help them grow out of it. Remember, the body, which includes the brain, stops growing at 25. Well after high school years.
I totally agree with you Piotr. Kids need a good smack now a days. The younger generations are becoming quite insufferable at times. Kids say some awful things not knowing at all what dark insecure worlds they are opening for themselves.
The Internet isn't helping kids either. Sure they can learn, but they are more focused on reddit karma and YouTube comment bashing
My parents never helped my magic hobby. I had to tutor kids until I was old enough to get a job, and I traded to get all the cards I needed for a given deck. I was spanked as a kid and have all of my manners fully developed. In hindsight I'm glad my parents did what they did because it made me a better person
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on February 28, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
As a teacher, I've realized they never grow out of it haha.
As a fellow teacher, it is our jobs to help them grow out of it. Remember, the body, which includes the brain, stops growing at 25. Well after high school years.
You got that right Mike, I'm always trying to give my students something that can make them better people in the future.
I do not mind if anyone nets any deck, it is decission of every single one person. I sometimes do as well, if I am stucked and need fresh point of view it is always nice to brainstorm with someone who knows...
But anyway the thing is threre is never need to be rude or criticise opponents deck especially if u do not know how the deck works...
Honestly I would not say that the reason for all those douchebags is bad parenting... It is also the environment, schoolmates...
Of course we should all have figured out by now that wherever we go there is always that one guy thats a total arsehole (sometimes more than one), its just inevitable, just like everyone has that one crazy friend that their group of friends isn't complete without
What kind of deck you play is irrelevant to how you act. If you play your own deck or copying someone elses, if you act like a jerk, you ARE a jerk. Plain and simple.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on February 28, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
As a teacher, I've realized they never grow out of it haha.
As a fellow teacher, it is our jobs to help them grow out of it.
Solidarity my peers. I am working in the first and second grade. We practice eye contact, polite responses, and resolving our problems using constructive comments.
And not eating our textbooks. That's important, too.
I may live I a sheltered community but over here the mtg guys are 95% rad and only 5% duche.
It's a fact of life. Wherever there are groups of people, chances are, there are douches
with the responses I'm hearing, I'd like to make myself more clear. I know that some people enjoy netdecking and I don't hold that against them. What I don't like is when people win prizes off of it. I know this can also be argued for, but it's just my personal idea that people should bring their own decks to GPs. It's part of the reason I left Modern, or at least shifted some of my weight to the Standard side: I don't like seeing the same deck win every pro tournament with a different player behind it. Continuing my example of my thoughts, it would be like SELLING that copy of the Mona Lisa to someone for the same price the real one would go for. Now, I'm not calling people that do this douchebags, but at times it bothers me even more than them. It's more of a personal pet peeve than a problem with the game, but I know I'm not alone. Netdecking for fun, or even at an FNM, is fine by me, just not at a professional level.
Quote from: whitedrake on February 28, 2013, 01:22:43 PM
I remembered Coffee today so much...:D I have played his Superfriends Fog on "new Cockatrice" server and met a douche who started to criticise deck from third turn when I had 3 lands and {Elixir of Immortality} in play. Saying that I play deck that was played 5 monts ago and that he wants to face only real decks...:D I did not believe what he wrote... Then I told him that I play gtc cards as well and casted gideon and he commented that ok I play old deck with new trash cards... :D
After few rounds he left in the moment when I casted verdict after few rounds of fogging and growing gideon and Tamiyo...:D
With words I'll leave u in ur world my deck is designed for my meta not for trash decks...
Cannot believe that people like that are part of community.. I always thought that magic players are merry fellows who want to enjoy time with their popular game...;)
I know that nothing from this is really interesting but simply still cannot absorb the fact that some guy treats other like he is the best and u r trash...
Sorry for this weird post...:D
Ahhh I have seen this before, he was probably on his man period and needed a manpon. HAhahaha I crack myself up and I know about this because on rare occasions I too need a manpon
Quote from: Testset on February 28, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
Couldn't it be argued that players running identical decks in a tournament is no different than any other competition where it's actually mandatory that players need to have identical equipment (as in every major sport)?
It's not creative, sure, but competition at that level isn't an art contest...
Your skill will be the determining factor, as will luck, like any poker tournament or sporting event.
well depending on the sport they can enhance their equipment with decorations and such. Lacrosse for example; customizable stick, head, lacing, taping on the stick, etc.
Quote from: Langku on February 28, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
Solidarity my peers. I am working in the first and second grade. We practice eye contact, polite responses, and resolving our problems using constructive comments.
And not eating our textbooks. That's important, too.
I may live I a sheltered community but over here the mtg guys are 95% rad and only 5% duche.
Restoring my faith in humanity one class at a time.
Quote from: Langku on February 28, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on February 28, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
As a teacher, I've realized they never grow out of it haha.
As a fellow teacher, it is our jobs to help them grow out of it.
Solidarity my peers. I am working in the first and second grade. We practice eye contact, polite responses, and resolving our problems using constructive comments.
And not eating our textbooks. That's important, too.
I may live I a sheltered community but over here the mtg guys are 95% rad and only 5% duche.
Oh I definitely agree with ur percentage guess...;) most people I met were or are great guys including most of the people here...:D
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
Sometimes, I wonder... Do some adults grow out it? I've seen a lot of these antics from people in the military also, which I think is very sad for the organization....
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 01, 2013, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on February 28, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Eh, they're kids. You just gotta bear in mind that their bodies and organs aren't fully developed, and that includes their brains. They'll grow out of it.
Sometimes, I wonder... Do some adults grow out it? I've seen a lot of these antics from people in the military also, which I think is very sad for the organization....
Sometimes adults don't grow out of it, and absolutely should know better. My whole point was to not so easily dismiss kids just on the premise of them being young. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
Well I'm told that men grow up to about 8th year of their life, then they only grow bigger. Based on yours truly, very true.
Cockatrice has too many people that want to test seriously, but are too stingy to use MODO.
Quote from: bravado883 on March 01, 2013, 01:12:52 PM
I just want to say one thing about "net decking". I used to do everything I could to avoid the practice, but at some point I was realizing that I had to intentionally not include good cards/card interactions simply to retain my originality. I still try to avoid the "top deck," and I wouldn't copy someone's list card for card, but if I'm going to pay to play I'd like to win. It's fine and awesome to brew, but getting ideas from pro level decks can be a good idea too. Personally, I keep a competitive deck and a brew deck for casual play.
I know what you mean...I used to avoid running {Thragtusk} for pretty much the same reason but then I just said "f it..." And slapped 4 of the suckers in my deck. Lol I actually cannot wait until it rotates!
Quote from: Langku on February 28, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
And not eating our textbooks. That's important, too.
Wasn't expecting that! It really struck me as funny for some reason! +1 to you, Langku!
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 01, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Langku on February 28, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
And not eating our textbooks. That's important, too.
Wasn't expecting that! It really struck me as funny for some reason! +1 to you, Langku!
Wally, fact is funnier than fiction. It's been an uphill battle with one of my 7 year old scholars. He's been eating school supplies, primarily pages from books and tablets. Just keep him away from my card binders... That'd be like a smorgasbord for this kid.
Speaking of doochery.....when an opponent cheats. Even worse when it's an adult! Makes me mad!
What you should do if someone is rude an insults you in a sanctioned match is simply call a judge, even if they don't get a warning, this usually upsets them enough to stop talking and go on tilt.
Speaking of d00shery. At FNM last night, a guy tried to steal a {temple garden} and {deathrite shaman} from me. What happened was he {nightveil specter}'d both cards round three and after it was over, shuffled everything into his library. I told him, in a nice manner, that I needed my cards back. He argued with me saying he did give them back until I counted out that I had 58 cards in my deck. He was acting shady about the whole thing, so I warned his next opponent on the sly.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Speaking of d00shery. At FNM last night, a guy tried to steal a {temple garden} and {deathrite shaman} from me. What happened was he {nightveil specter}'d both cards round three and after it was over, shuffled everything into his library. I told him, in a nice manner, that I needed my cards back. He argued with me saying he did give them back until I counted out that I had 58 cards in my deck. He was acting shady about the whole thing, so I warned his next opponent on the sly.
That's not d00shery that's robbery... That kind of person would be expelled from our playgroup immediately if he did that on purpose...
Yeah, that's pretty bad. If it were a simple mistake it'd be one thing, but once you say "hey you still have my cards" and he says no without even looking, yeah, that dingus is a thief. That's a good way to get banned from your LGS.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Speaking of d00shery. At FNM last night, a guy tried to steal a {temple garden} and {deathrite shaman} from me. What happened was he {nightveil specter}'d both cards round three and after it was over, shuffled everything into his library. I told him, in a nice manner, that I needed my cards back. He argued with me saying he did give them back until I counted out that I had 58 cards in my deck. He was acting shady about the whole thing, so I warned his next opponent on the sly.
I'd be really pissed. I'd have warned everyone, not just his next opponent. Some guy at our LGS tried to steal from someone and when he got called out he ditched the stolen cards in the bathroom.
In hindsight I should've gone to a higher authority. Definitely will be doing that next time it happens.
Quote from: whitedrake on March 02, 2013, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Speaking of d00shery. At FNM last night, a guy tried to steal a {temple garden} and {deathrite shaman} from me. What happened was he {nightveil specter}'d both cards round three and after it was over, shuffled everything into his library. I told him, in a nice manner, that I needed my cards back. He argued with me saying he did give them back until I counted out that I had 58 cards in my deck. He was acting shady about the whole thing, so I warned his next opponent on the sly.
That's not d00shery that's robbery... That kind of person would be expelled from our playgroup immediately if he did that on purpose...
Hence why playing with unique sleeves is actually a bonus insurance. "Hey look, that's my card in your deck, haha!"
"Oops, here you go"
Problem solved.
Theft is no joke. If you call someone out on it, and they don't respond in above fashion, I'd be wary as hell about the character of that person.
Shady people can have a high five, to the face, with a chair. As far as I'm concerned.
Funny thing is I had plain black Ultra Pros. He had green Dragon Shields with some sort of graphic on the back. There's no way you don't notice that when youre shuffling into your deck. I also had to tell his friend, who was sitting next to me playing his match, to keep the commentary to himself. That's one thing I can't stand. People commenting on what's in my hand before I play it. It ruins the whole "poker face" element of the game.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
Funny thing is I had plain black Ultra Pros. He had green Dragon Shields with some sort of graphic on the back. There's no way you don't notice that when youre shuffling into your deck. I also had to tell his friend, who was sitting next to me playing his match, to keep the commentary to himself. That's one thing I can't stand. People commenting on what's in my hand before I play it. It ruins the whole "poker face" element of the game.
I will not let people stand behind me when playing
Nor will I. I hate people doing that in general.
I agree and if I'm watching I try to get to the middle so I cannot see anyone's hand.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Speaking of d00shery. At FNM last night, a guy tried to steal a {temple garden} and {deathrite shaman} from me. What happened was he {nightveil specter}'d both cards round three and after it was over, shuffled everything into his library. I told him, in a nice manner, that I needed my cards back. He argued with me saying he did give them back until I counted out that I had 58 cards in my deck. He was acting shady about the whole thing, so I warned his next opponent on the sly.
I mainly play with my friends and every now and then i accidentally shuffle some of my opponents cards into my deck, not intentionally though. However, i am always the first one to notice and pass the cards back. One time i was playing at fnm, accidentally shuffled 2 of my opponents {detention sphere}'s into my deck, neither of us noticed, but when i got home i was combing through my deck, and there were 2 {detention sphere}s in my naya midrange deck. Once i figured out what had happened, i got his number of a buddy, contacted the guy, and gave him a few rares as well as his cards because i felt bad about what had happened.
Now that im done telling my story, that guy sounds like a thief, plain and simple.
Ya, I dunno how many times I've shuffled spirit tokens or some such into my deck, but that was clearly an attempted theft...
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 02, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
Funny thing is I had plain black Ultra Pros. He had green Dragon Shields with some sort of graphic on the back. There's no way you don't notice that when youre shuffling into your deck. I also had to tell his friend, who was sitting next to me playing his match, to keep the commentary to himself. That's one thing I can't stand. People commenting on what's in my hand before I play it. It ruins the whole "poker face" element of the game.
I hate when Im playing against someone and someones behind them saying "Play that one!" or "He's got {Card Name} on the field, so just play this!". If I'm playing 1 on 1, I want to play 1 on 1, not 1 on 2. I've seriously looked good friends in the face and said something along the lines of "Shut the .love. up and let him play his own deck" before. That's a
huge pet peeve of mine.
People at my LGS are good about not interfering with matches. I don't mind if people stand behind me where they can see my hand, because I know they won't say anything, in my favor or against. People are naturally curious, and it's fine if they want to watch and see what I'm up to, as long as they keep to themselves.
I can't imagine playing where people don't respect that basic rule. Respect the match, people!