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Title: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 24, 2013, 11:35:32 PM
I seem to have trouble analyzing card value. Cards that seem very valuable and useful to me seem to be shunned by the community. others that I see as junk are hailed. tell me, where have I gone wrong?
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: NyghtHawk on February 24, 2013, 11:43:57 PM
To some extent people know what things tend to run well and what cards arent good in certain formats due to speed and usefulness. There are always exceptions to that where people see no value in a card until one person finds a way to abuse it. Happens all the time. It depends on your strategy and if its working for you. If its not working well maybe they are right. If it is working then its irrelevant what they think.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Silent1236 on February 24, 2013, 11:55:25 PM
That's where you come in and make that card useful ;)

I do that sometimes too though.  Example: {Deathrite Shaman}.  I totally understand that it's good, but it is so praised as an amazing card that'll jump in price later on and I just don't understand what is so over-the-top about this card.  It's good, no doubt, but I don't know why it is so good.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Mikefrompluto on February 25, 2013, 12:31:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on February 24, 2013, 11:55:25 PM
That's where you come in and make that card useful ;)

I do that sometimes too though.  Example: {Deathrite Shaman}.  I totally understand that it's good, but it is so praised as an amazing card that'll jump in price later on and I just don't understand what is so over-the-top about this card.  It's good, no doubt, but I don't know why it is so good.

I somewhat agree. It really shines in dredge/reanimator. You know, decks that have a beefy graveyard by T2 and can help deathrite start doing some work. Other than that, I don't see its utility applied to other decks.

Also, see {thragtusk} for a perfect example of a card coming out of left field with its usefulness.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 25, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
Alright, how about something like  {Tree of Redemption}? To me, it seems like a very versatile defender with good game turning abilities. Beef it up, give it deathtouch, you know! But I never see any talk/use of it
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: izik99 on February 25, 2013, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: toastani on February 25, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
Alright, how about something like  {Tree of Redemption}? To me, it seems like a very versatile defender with good game turning abilities. Beef it up, give it deathtouch, you know! But I never see any talk/use of it

By turn four, they'll have flyers, and killspells. Plus, they'll probably have other ways to win (than attacking) with Boros Charms and stuff.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 25, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on February 25, 2013, 07:34:19 AM
And besides, it's not helping you win, it's slowing down the other guy from winning.

and that's not good?
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Wackaman9001 on February 25, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
On t4 you are most likely winning or setting up and the tree is not a win card but an aid in a much longer setup
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Empathie on February 25, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
If a card can 2 for 1, provide card advantage,  or mana advantage
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 26, 2013, 07:02:27 AM
That's a lot to take in. Whenever I build a deck it's usually just things that I think work well together, and it seems to go well for me. Can I get some critique on my artifact deck when I post it later on today?
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Wackaman9001 on February 26, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
That being said, toughness is generally cheaper than power. Ex. {elite vanguard} is a 2/1 for {W} while {steel wall} is 0/4 for {1}. Also, higher rarity generally means lower costs along that curve, like {memnite} is uncommon and free.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 27, 2013, 10:19:54 PM
Can't seem to get the deck builder to work. I'll try to get the deck up soon I guess. maybe. heh
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: toastani on February 27, 2013, 10:45:06 PM
Posted it. lemme know how I did.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Ghetto Pass on February 28, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
A good safe bet in my experience, as far as monitory value goes, is lands.  Specifically rare and mythic lands; these cards almost never go down on value and are so versital they're always in demand.
Title: Re: Card Value
Post by: Xaol on February 28, 2013, 06:21:48 AM
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on February 28, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
A good safe bet in my experience, as far as monitory value goes, is lands.  Specifically rare and mythic lands; these cards almost never go down on value and are so versital they're always in demand.
This. Basically, good cards with mana-related abilities are always relevant. See {Noble Hierarch} or {Cavern of Souls}.