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Title: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Xaol on February 24, 2013, 08:32:14 PM
He was $3.75 mid yesterday. Someone went and bought EVERY Thrun off tcgplayer, and now more people are buying him. He's almost $30 now!!!
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on February 24, 2013, 08:38:53 PM
I thought he was always mid teens.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Dudecore on February 24, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
 {Thrun, the Last Troll}
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Silent1236 on February 24, 2013, 09:14:26 PM
SCG is even out of NM versions.  He's up to $10 on there.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Dudecore on February 24, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Should this not be in the Price Jumps and Drops thread? It is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: MisterJH on February 24, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
Wtf whyd he get so expensive i always thought he was worth more than he sold for and i wanted a playset but i didnt expect that
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Bozo_Law on February 24, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
I traded fo a set at $5 each last week. That is definitely a thing.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Xaol on February 25, 2013, 06:27:30 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on February 25, 2013, 04:59:00 AM
It's because he is replacing  {Bloodbraid Elf} in Jund decks. He'll come back down I thinn
That's what I thought, but it can't be true. We haven't had a Modern GP since Bilbao 1.5 months ago! Normally prices on cards spike right after a GP in which they are used.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Moneekahh on February 25, 2013, 05:27:18 PM
Got shuffleandcut's last foil for $10! Woohoo!! Now I'm not depressed that I traded mine away this weekend!
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Moneekahh on February 25, 2013, 05:31:21 PM
Probably in high demand for people who are revamping their modern Jund for PTQ after the ban of Bloodbraid
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
He would... Damn it... I have one that's already part of a trade, bleh
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Frothandslosh on February 25, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
I love a more creature-centric Jund, and want to see {Domri Rade} find his place in Modern.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: MuggyWuggy on February 26, 2013, 05:59:31 PM
DCI and WotC have implemented operation Trolololololol
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 07:38:06 AM
Was the Thrun en route? If so, a bit late to pull the trade imo.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Hays413 on March 02, 2013, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!

Are you kidding me? What a piece of .poo.!
Are there no ethics or morality in our society anymore!?
That sucks bro, hope you identify who that is one here.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Hays413 on March 02, 2013, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!

Are you kidding me? What a piece of .poo.!
Are there no ethics or morality in our society anymore!?
That sucks bro, hope you identify who that is one here.

I have to disagree.  Until the card is in your hand they have a choice to pull out. I agree it sucks but that's just life.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Kaleo42 on March 02, 2013, 11:38:53 AM
Checked my edh, i still have a foil thrun.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Hays413 on March 02, 2013, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!

Are you kidding me? What a piece of .poo.!
Are there no ethics or morality in our society anymore!?
That sucks bro, hope you identify who that is one here.
I have to disagree.  Until the card is in your hand they have a choice to pull out. I agree it sucks but that's just life.
I disagree with that. Once you send a card, you have committed to the trade. I see no good reason why someone who has agreed to a trade and put it in the mail can change their mind. If you didnt want to trade it, dont send it. Pretty simple.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
As I said ====> in hand <==== until you actually have the card it's not yours. Yes you have agreement but the deal is not over until  you actually have the card. Yes it may suck but that's just life. I guess I'm just used to this because of my line of work.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
As I said ====> in hand <==== until you actually have the card it's not yours. Yes you have agreement but the deal is not over until  you actually have the card. Yes it may suck but that's just life. I guess I'm just used to this because of my line of work.
You have a gentleman's agreement on here. There is obviously nothing legal binding, but you send your cards you commit to the trade. Most of the time how are you even going to prove when they got the cards in hand? Most people dont use tracking so would be hard to prove most of the time. With that in mind, you send, you commit. I honestly think almost everyone here would agree.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.

Weren't you the same person who ordered them from a place who didn't mark them up to the new price? Maybe you should tell them and add the extra money to cover the increase of the card value. You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?

All in all it comes down to money. Some people do not consider this a game but more of a business. That is all I am saying. Take it with a grain of salt. I'm just putting perspective on the other side.

And this is why I really don't trade
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Raiderrob on March 02, 2013, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
As I said ====> in hand <==== until you actually have the card it's not yours. Yes you have agreement but the deal is not over until  you actually have the card. Yes it may suck but that's just life. I guess I'm just used to this because of my line of work.
I think if the other person spends the time and money to send the card you shouldn't back out. If its just a verbal agreement and someone backs out its crappy but I can understand if that happens..
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.

Weren't you the same person who ordered them from a place who didn't mark them up to the new price? Maybe you should tell them and add the extra money to cover the increase of the card value. You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?

All in all it comes down to money. Some people do not consider this a game but more of a business. That is all I am saying. Take it with a grain of salt. I'm just putting perspective on the other side.

And this is why I really don't trade

It is different to trade than to buy off of a website. I traded my Thrun away days before it jumped, I am not regretful about it, I got cards that I needed at the time. I was sad when I saw I could have gotten more if we had traded days later, but trading in person is different than trading on imtg. If I had made the same trade on imtg and hadn't sent yet, I'd hold true to the trade that I had made, but maybe that's just me?
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.
You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?
Its absolutely different. Business is business and in the field of magic where prices fluctuate all the time, stores know that they will sometimes not make full value on certain cards and other times more on others when a price drops but someone bought it higher. Thats a poor analogy. This here is trading among peers and a gentleman's agreement, this is not a business. Trying to pull out after sending cards is foolish and pretty uncool. And as a gentlemans agreement to begin with I see no reason the person on the other end should have to honor their request. Thats the point of a gentlemans agreement. If you dont believe in gentlemans agreements, dont trade here.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Raiderrob on March 02, 2013, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
As I said ====> in hand <==== until you actually have the card it's not yours. Yes you have agreement but the deal is not over until  you actually have the card. Yes it may suck but that's just life. I guess I'm just used to this because of my line of work.
I think if the other person spends the time and money to send the card you shouldn't back out. If its just a verbal agreement and someone backs out its crappy but I can understand if that happens..

Exactly
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.

Weren't you the same person who ordered them from a place who didn't mark them up to the new price? Maybe you should tell them and add the extra money to cover the increase of the card value. You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?

All in all it comes down to money. Some people do not consider this a game but more of a business. That is all I am saying. Take it with a grain of salt. I'm just putting perspective on the other side.

And this is why I really don't trade

It is different to trade than to buy off of a website. I traded my Thrun away days before it jumped, I am not regretful about it, I got cards that I needed at the time. I was sad when I saw I could have gotten more if we had traded days later, but trading in person is different than trading on imtg. If I had made the same trade on imtg and hadn't sent yet, I'd hold true to the trade that I had made, but maybe that's just me?

Your cutting hairs. Taking advantage of and knowing it is bad either way. By trade or buying. I'm just saying it happens
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.
You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?
Its absolutely different. Business is business and in the field of magic where prices fluctuate all the time, stores know that they will sometimes not make full value on certain cards and other times more on others when a price drops but someone bought it higher. Thats a poor analogy. This here is trading among peers and a gentleman's agreement, this is not a business. Trying to pull out after sending cards is foolish and pretty uncool. And as a gentlemans agreement to begin with I see no reason the person on the other end should have to honor their request. Thats the point of a gentlemans agreement. If you dont believe in gentlemans agreements, dont trade here.

When money gets involved its not a gentleman agreement. Who says that everyone here is a player. I'm sure some here have sold cards. As far as being uncool sure I see it but it doesn't surprise me that it happens and will happen again
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Raiderrob on March 02, 2013, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
As I said ====> in hand <==== until you actually have the card it's not yours. Yes you have agreement but the deal is not over until  you actually have the card. Yes it may suck but that's just life. I guess I'm just used to this because of my line of work.
I think if the other person spends the time and money to send the card you shouldn't back out. If its just a verbal agreement and someone backs out its crappy but I can understand if that happens..

Exactly
Raiderrob is implying if the cards weren't sent yet and it was just verbal. Thats one thing, but still crappy as he said. Once cards are sent its no longer verbal, its in process.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!

I assumed that the person who was sending the troll didn't yet. I'm surprised that the person receiving the troll would send it back

To the post above
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 02, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
I think pulling out of a trade when a card jumps in value is a douche move. At the end of the day, is a piece of cardboard really worth losing face? If you were willing to trade a  {Thrun, the Last Troll} for an  {Oracle of Mul Daya}, he was obviously worth that to you. Why change your mind the next day?? Seems ridiculous to me.
You knew it was worth more yet you still bought it for less. Is that much different then pulling out of a trade because the value changed?
Its absolutely different. Business is business and in the field of magic where prices fluctuate all the time, stores know that they will sometimes not make full value on certain cards and other times more on others when a price drops but someone bought it higher. Thats a poor analogy. This here is trading among peers and a gentleman's agreement, this is not a business. Trying to pull out after sending cards is foolish and pretty uncool. And as a gentlemans agreement to begin with I see no reason the person on the other end should have to honor their request. Thats the point of a gentlemans agreement. If you dont believe in gentlemans agreements, dont trade here.

When money gets involved its not a gentleman agreement. Who says that everyone here is a player. I'm sure some here have sold cards. As far as being uncool sure I see it but it doesn't surprise me that it happens and will happen again
Its still a gentlemans agreement... Money is irrelevant to that. Gentlemans agreements are based on being honorable and both parties honoring their end of the bargain. If you send your cards youve taken part in the agreement. The other party if they send theirs too, has no obligation to send yours back if you change your mind. That was not part of the agreement.

You can go on all day about it happening and whatnot but thats not the point here. Trading here IS a gentlemans agreement. If people dont understand that, they shouldnt be trading to begin with.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 02, 2013, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!
My cards had not yet been sent yet and I agreed to send his cards back to him as soon as they arrived, he hadn't yet received the Thrun. I understand that yes, it sucks, but I'm not asking him to see back cards he had already gotten from me. He lost out on nothing but {Sacred Foundry}s he won't get back for maybe 2 weeks due to him being in Canada.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 02, 2013, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!
My cards had not yet been sent yet and I agreed to send his cards back to him as soon as they arrived, he hadn't yet received the Thrun. I understand that yes, it sucks, but I'm not asking him to see back cards he had already gotten from me. He lost out on nothing but {Sacred Foundry}s he won't get back for maybe 2 weeks due to him being in Canada.
I understand what happened, but dont see that as being right in any way. If you agreed to the trade, you should make good on it. Thats how I see it.
Title: Re: Thrun, What the Heck?!
Post by: Silent1236 on March 02, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on March 02, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 02, 2013, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: Nissassagame on March 02, 2013, 07:00:12 AM
I had one coming my way as a part if a trade and the guy pulled the deal with my cards en route when he heard if the change is value. Yuk!
My cards had not yet been sent yet and I agreed to send his cards back to him as soon as they arrived, he hadn't yet received the Thrun. I understand that yes, it sucks, but I'm not asking him to see back cards he had already gotten from me. He lost out on nothing but {Sacred Foundry}s he won't get back for maybe 2 weeks due to him being in Canada.
I understand what happened, but dont see that as being right in any way. If you agreed to the trade, you should make good on it. Thats how I see it.

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