1. {Boros Reckoner}
2. {Boros Charm}
3. {Thundermaw Hellkite}
4. {Restoration Angel}
5. {Silverblade Paladin}
Looks like im building boros
Have you not heard of thragtusk...?
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 16, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
Have you not heard of thragtusk...?
He's broken and tanking fast right now
It's likely from reprinting, not a dip in power. Jund midrange won like 5 tournaments in a a row, and Naya won the 2 before it. {Thragtusk} is alive and well, with better mana fixing and new support.
And that's why im trading my {thragtusk}s for some much needed shocklands.
Quote from: Seth5000 on February 16, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 16, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
Have you not heard of thragtusk...?
He's broken and tanking fast right now
Hahahaha, that's a funny joke bro. Thrag is gonna be wrecking standard until the day M14 releases.
Quote from: Seth5000 on February 16, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 16, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
Have you not heard of thragtusk...?
He's broken and tanking fast right now
If he was broken, wouldn't that make him one of the best?
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 16, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: Seth5000 on February 16, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 16, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
Have you not heard of thragtusk...?
He's broken and tanking fast right now
Hahahaha, that's a funny joke bro. Thrag is gonna be wrecking standard until the day M14 releases.
If you pay attention to standard at all you would realize {Thragtusk} is dead the only people who play lose to every card i posted as the best cards in standard
Thragtusk is still a top card. I'd at least put him above silverblade paladin for sure. I saw more thragtusks in Cincinatti last weekend than any other creature. Even boros reckoner. (Granted, not by much.)
I agree with Gorzo. Five life and two chump blockers in one card is pretty tight.
Quote from: Gorzo on February 21, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
Thragtusk is still a top card. I'd at least put him above silverblade paladin for sure. I saw more thragtusks in Cincinatti last weekend than any other creature. Even boros reckoner. (Granted, not by much.)
It is no longer in the top 5 i know my list is wrong and it was kinda a joke but in the real list {Thragtusk} isnt in the top
Quote from: Gorzo on February 21, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
Thragtusk is still a top card. I'd at least put him above silverblade paladin for sure. I saw more thragtusks in Cincinatti last weekend than any other creature. Even boros reckoner. (Granted, not by much.)
You should come to rockin rooster comics and games for a FNM it would be cool to see a fellow imtg user there and if you do you can play this persons bant deck that's supper over powered and barly ever loses
Quote from: Bman0121 on February 21, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on February 21, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
Thragtusk is still a top card. I'd at least put him above silverblade paladin for sure. I saw more thragtusks in Cincinatti last weekend than any other creature. Even boros reckoner. (Granted, not by much.)
It is no longer in the top 5 i know my list is wrong and it was kinda a joke but in the real list {Thragtusk} isnt in the top
Alright, I'm gonna teach you a few things about standard.
1. Thragtusk is the MAIN (you heard me, main) reason that restoration angel is so good in standard.
2. Thragtusk is automatically better then every creature you posted up there, just based on the fact that there is so much removal/board wipes in standard. You still have board presence even after he dies! Not to mention 5 life!
3. Thragtusk is EASY to play, even in a deck with only a little bit of green. With all of the three colored decks going around, so many have easy access to the beast that is Thrag.
4. Thragtusk should honestly be a mythic, but if he were, he'd be worth as much as all of the cards you listed combined.
And in summary, if you truly think thragtusk is dead, take a trip over here to Pullman so me and all the other respectable standard players can whoop your ass with them.
I'm no standard player and I'm not saying {Thragtusk} isn't super good, but I can think of about a thousand ways to use {Restoration Angel} outside of Thraggy. I'd honestly put the Angel over Thragtusk.
Restoration angel is amazing, but I don't care if you can think of a million ways to use it, still doesn't take away from my point.
And if you're no standard player, you'll never understand just how good thragtusk is in standard. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's sure as hell in the top 5.
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 21, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Alright, I'm gonna teach you a few things about standard.
1. Thragtusk is the MAIN (you heard me, main) reason that restoration angel is so good in standard.
2. Thragtusk is automatically better then every creature you posted up there, just based on the fact that there is so much removal/board wipes in standard. You still have board presence even after he dies! Not to mention 5 life!
3. Thragtusk should honestly be a mythic, but if he were, he'd be worth as much as all of the cards you listed combined.
And in summary, if you truly think thragtusk is dead, take a trip over here to Pullman so me and all the other respectable standard players can whoop your ass with them.
1. I could see him being
one of the reasons angel is good, not the main. I think the main reason {Restoration Angel} is good is because she is just so damn good! If he really is the main reason, then the standard environment is more unimaginative than I thought. But I don't play a lot of standard, so I'll give you that one, I guess.
2. I see no way that {Thragutsk} is better than {Boros Reckoner} outside of the board wipe scenario and the {Restoration Angel} synergy. Reckoner can kill both thraggy and his token with first strike, then he just takes damage or swings to knock your life back down no problem. And {Thundermaw Hellkite} just doesn't give a damn about Thraggy lol
3. Probably should have, but then they wouldn't have put him in the event decks and his price would be pointlessly high due to rarity. I really doubt he would be a $90 card though.
Maybe I'm just sick of hearing about {Thragtusk}, but I just don't see him as being the best or second best card in standard. From what I've seen, I'd peg him at 4 or 5. A boring standard environment is why I quit standard lol. Got tired of seeing the same decklists everywhere.
Well said, Silent. (That's a weird sentence.)
I agree wholeheartedly with pretty much everything you've posted here.
Quote from: Silent1236 on February 21, 2013, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 21, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Alright, I'm gonna teach you a few things about standard.
1. Thragtusk is the MAIN (you heard me, main) reason that restoration angel is so good in standard.
2. Thragtusk is automatically better then every creature you posted up there, just based on the fact that there is so much removal/board wipes in standard. You still have board presence even after he dies! Not to mention 5 life!
3. Thragtusk should honestly be a mythic, but if he were, he'd be worth as much as all of the cards you listed combined.
And in summary, if you truly think thragtusk is dead, take a trip over here to Pullman so me and all the other respectable standard players can whoop your ass with them.
A boring standard environment is why I quit standard lol. Got tired of seeing the same decklists everywhere.
This. All day. I keep one standard deck for FNM and when rotation happens, I most likely wont be going to FNM anymore.
As for {thragtusk}. Like I said, five life and two chump blockers (because lets face it, no one plays thrag as their brute force powerhouse creature) for five CMC is not bad at all. The fact that hes splashable helps immensely. Even against {boros reckoner}, he can buy you a turn. It just sucks that no one uses him in an imaginative way, outside of the Omnidoor Thragfire variants. Personally I prefer {centaur healer} in place of thrag. Against fast aggro, he can give you some life back and provides a sturdy 3/3 chumper, and against slower combo decks he can start putting work in as early as T3 with the proper mana dorks.
Quote from: Silent1236 on February 21, 2013, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 21, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Alright, I'm gonna teach you a few things about standard.
1. Thragtusk is the MAIN (you heard me, main) reason that restoration angel is so good in standard.
2. Thragtusk is automatically better then every creature you posted up there, just based on the fact that there is so much removal/board wipes in standard. You still have board presence even after he dies! Not to mention 5 life!
3. Thragtusk should honestly be a mythic, but if he were, he'd be worth as much as all of the cards you listed combined.
And in summary, if you truly think thragtusk is dead, take a trip over here to Pullman so me and all the other respectable standard players can whoop your ass with them.
1. I could see him being one of the reasons angel is good, not the main. I think the main reason {Restoration Angel} is good is because she is just so damn good! If he really is the main reason, then the standard environment is more unimaginative than I thought. But I don't play a lot of standard, so I'll give you that one, I guess.
2. I see no way that {Thragutsk} is better than {Boros Reckoner} outside of the board wipe scenario and the {Restoration Angel} synergy. Reckoner can kill both thraggy and his token with first strike, then he just takes damage or swings to knock your life back down no problem. And {Thundermaw Hellkite} just doesn't give a damn about Thraggy lol
3. Probably should have, but then they wouldn't have put him in the event decks and his price would be pointlessly high due to rarity. I really doubt he would be a $90 card though.
Maybe I'm just sick of hearing about {Thragtusk}, but I just don't see him as being the best or second best card in standard. From what I've seen, I'd peg him at 4 or 5. A boring standard environment is why I quit standard lol. Got tired of seeing the same decklists everywhere.
I could keep arguing with you, but you aren't a standard player, so you'll never truly understand. Thragtusk is one of the stupidest cards they have printed, it truly did make standard much less exciting.
I'll never truly understand, eh? I've played and played against multiple copies of {Thragtusk} in a standard environment. Methinks you might be assuming a tad there ;)
I'm just saying that while yes, {Thragtusk} is overpowered, it is a bit presumptuous to say he is so much better than every other creature.
Quote from: Silent1236 on February 21, 2013, 03:58:59 PM
I'll never truly understand, eh? I've played and played against multiple copies of {Thragtusk} in a standard environment. Methinks you might be assuming a tad there ;)
I'm just saying that while yes, {Thragtusk} is overpowered, it is a bit presumptuous to say he is so much better than every other creature.
Nope, I meant what I said. If I didn't play standard every single Friday night I really wouldn't know just how stupid thragtusk is. It's not until you see decks running win every single weekend (in groups of 50+) that you really get it.
And did I ever say it was better then every other creature? I think you might be putting words in my mouth there ;) I just think it's better then all of those on the list, except maybe restoration angel. My top 5 would include resto, thrag and Geist of saint Taft for sure
I agree with most of you on this fagtusk is diff top 5, he is in every deck in my meta but my own cos I hate seeing the same bloody deck every where!
Edit: just to be clear I do understand how powerful he(whtch is why i said top 5) is and I do have a play set of him I just hate the damn thing it has made standed boring.
Lol only two cards In this list that belongs there is resto and thundermaw. Thragtusk is a top 3. Reckoner is sooooo easily dealt with. I play Bant Control and win against all reckoners. Just bounce him for days. Sphinxs revelations belongs In the top cards as well as bonfire. Reckoner is just so good right now due to 90% of te meta being Aggro.
Poticus yeah I'd agree with most those. Angel of serenity is really good.
Finally, people that actually understand what standard is like... Lol. Potticus has a very accurate idea of what a top 10 would look like
Idk if i would put cavern in there (any more). Since {mana leak} rotated their havent been good enough counters to make cavern rediculous. We have shocks so even the color fix is lack luster. Im not going to put much effort into making a list since this thread is starting to feel like a dead horse, but I know I would consider {farseek} since it allows for an unnatural progression of the game in the form of ramp and extreme fixxing potention. It has one of the greatest impacts on standard and often is the real reason to splash green then thagtusk just follows along as the "must add" of green. Every rotation brings new must haves and every time people get sick of seeing them, but the bright side is if you see a color in a competitive event you can deduce what 2-4 of the cards in their deck are. This knowledge lends greatly to top-down deck building and simplifies the overall understanding of the meta to a point of making countermeasures near obvious (such as cavern for leak and rest in peace for unburial rites). These trends are natural and do suck for the people on the wrong end of them (which in some cases the wrong end is the one playing it out of desperation *cough* delver *cough* caw-blade)
I don't really know my whole list, but I know {Geist of Saint Traft}, {Restoration Angel}, and {Snapcaster Mage} are on it. And Kaleo, you got me wanting to splash {G} for {Farseek} now
Quote from: Wsuryanjeska on February 21, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on February 21, 2013, 03:58:59 PM
I'll never truly understand, eh? I've played and played against multiple copies of {Thragtusk} in a standard environment. Methinks you might be assuming a tad there ;)
I'm just saying that while yes, {Thragtusk} is overpowered, it is a bit presumptuous to say he is so much better than every other creature.
Nope, I meant what I said. If I didn't play standard every single Friday night I really wouldn't know just how stupid thragtusk is. It's not until you see decks running win every single weekend (in groups of 50+) that you really get it.
And did I ever say it was better then every other creature? I think you might be putting words in my mouth there ;) I just think it's better then all of those on the list, except maybe restoration angel. My top 5 would include resto, thrag and Geist of saint Taft for sure
I have seen decksrunning thragtusk get stomped by team USA esper and blue black control. Thragtusk is a solid card but not nececarrilly in the top 2 I agree that it is 4 or 5.
{Farseek} is incredible. The fact that it can pull {temple garden}, {overgrown tomb}, etc. makes up for not being able to outright pull a forest. If my jundfire deck wasnt fast enough and allowed room, I'd have a playset of {Farseek} in there.
Quote from: Byerley121 on February 22, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
I have seen decksrunning thragtusk get stomped by team USA esper and blue black control. Thragtusk is a solid card but not nececarrilly in the top 2 I agree that it is 4 or 5.
Nobody ever said it was top 2. Jesus, how can people play magic these days when they can't even read... And yes farseek is amazing I could easily put it in the top ten
And I've seen team USA esper and other decks get stomped by thragtusk. It's all in the cards.
True.
I would have to give azorius charm a spot up there in the top ten. Mainly because I am an esper player.
I've personally never used a thragtusk in any deck, but I do understand how good of a card it is
But it does not make a deck unbeatable
No card does
So to the guy who's name starts with a w (that I don't care to spend the time to go back and forth to type)
You don't have to like thragtusk to be a respectable standard player and you wouldn't necessarily whoop his ass at magic just because he doesn't thinks it's in the top